atma drop rates

[winsock]

De gustibus non disputandum est

Does not apply here. I'm not arguing against ur taste, I'm arguing against your inconsistencies.

You say you enjoy it and find it boring + painful. Okay, you have a taste for the painful boring grinding. Not my thing but to each their own.

Brought up the books because it is a time sink as well, but has variety and isnt much of a grind. I didn't consider myth to be a grind b/c you are award myth for most L50 activities. What I find inconsistent here is that you have the option to participate in the painful grinds you endorse, while I have the option to not grind, but in this circumstance you beef is with the grind.

Now you're arguing that there is no argument because it's a matter of taste, yet you are arguing that despite diverse tastes, everyone's only option for a relic upgrade should conform to your taste

[Avarghaladion]

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I wonder why people find so hard to accept this. I find leveling boring as well but It's part of the game.

You said you just started... that's probably why you don't understand why people are complaining. Even if you happen to get really lucky you should wrap your head around the fact that some people have put in several hundred hours and don't have an Atma set yet. You could level every DoH/DoW/DoL to 50 several times over in that time frame. This is not remotely comparable to leveling.

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I'd be blown away if they were actually that consistently incoherent and not just trolling you.

[ElHeggunte]

I'm not sure how disliking the Atma RNG grind and thinking it should be changed automatically means you want the relic to be quick and easy. All I want is a grind where my rate of success isn't based solely on random chance, I don't care if its long. If the Atma grind had tangible progression like Animus and Novus there would be a lot less complaining.

[Axlle10]

Did you try sending a mail to customer support, or even better, chatting with someone from customer support asking them to "fix" atmas? Please do it and send me a screen when you get laughed hard on your face ^^

"Plaguing the game", well you sure look like it's your first videogame ever, is that so? 90% of RPGs, especially JRPGs, have far longer farms for far smaller rewards.

And please, stop saying it's a skin. Would you be on Novus now if you hadn't farmed atmas? Nope. And if atma hadn't existed, you'd just have to farm atmas, then do 9 books all with your Zenith to get Animus, because lv100 isn't someting you get with just 9 books in 2.3.

But this thread ended so long ago, when you started saying it was "unfair". You sure need some experience, I mean, a whole lot of experience.

And Avarghaladion-chan needs something to say, which I see he gravely lacks. See you in Duty Finder, if you haven't /blisted me yet

P.S.: I'm not sure what should I "deal with", I have my atma and going for animus, I'm fine with that and I'm not going to be "mad" just for a rainbow dash /img on a forum I don't follow that much :3
I'm even going to do another atma on WAR, I like that system.

God, you are a broken record. Did you even read anything in any of my posts or are you just plain doing the NOPE NOPE NOPE game?

lol. Lets go over it again, just because i find explaining this to you in simpler and simpler ways so funny as time goes on. (Even if you are trolling)

I did send an email stating ways to IMPROVE on the system, and like most improvements no email was sent back as im sure they have plenty. So they havent laughed in my face that i can see. I'm sure i'm laughing more at your posts ^_^

Actually its not. which is why i can say that plenty of the other games had the same kind of rewards but multiple ways to do it for a decent reward. Seems like you are the one lacking MMO experience.

But ATMA is JUST A SKIN. thats the whole ATMA part of the quest chain. Animus comes from the ANIMUS chain, Novus comes from NOVUS chain. Its quite funny to see you refer to it all as one big lumped sum when the problem people find with it is in one part, not the whole. Thats what your failing to comprehend. And a TRUE ilvl100 weapon only comes from the Animus part, not the atma. and answer me this, how could i farm atmas if atmas never existed? you just blew my mind XD

I said it was unfair yes, for the sole purpose of what Yoshida P has stated. He does not want to nerf/buff the atma chain because of peoples "hard work". Now if it was something equally hard for everyone, instead of just 5 fates in each zone for lots of people, then yes, i would not be talking bout this right now. And then they go onto say they delayed novus update because "Not enough people have their animus yet". If you were actually paying attention to what has been happening you would understand why people are a little upset.

And its great you like the system. I didnt care for it. Does it mean it must be changed? no. Does it mean it could use improvement for those that dont like it? Very much so. I actually loved the animus part. So doesnt that mean you should be in here complaining that the animus should have been purely rng? cause thats what your logic says.

[YanDere]

I meant to end the thread with the previous comments, so I'm just getting out of it. Think what you want about me, go ahead and cry for your atmas, no one will hand them over to you.
You can sit here calling me a troll as much as pleases you guys, I'm too busy farming my atmas efficiently for Bravura Atma.
Fell free to be satisfied depicting me as the "loser" of the conversation or whatever, I'm not going to comment here anymore.
"Thx for the run, cya"

[Demeos]

Will use the Dragoon Relic as an example:

What you start with before you acquire all the Atma:

Gae Bolg Zenith

What you receive after you've turned in all your Atmas:

Gae Bolg Atma

You literally grind all those FATE's for a color change and the privilege of grinding myth tomes. No stat or damage increases, just a palette swap and a label that says Item Level 100.

...A 3% chance is a 3% chance no matter how many attempts you make at it. This isn't a grind, this is gambling and time/effort is the currency you're gambling with.

[Avarghaladion]

Will use the Dragoon Relic as an example:

What you start with before you acquire all the Atma:

Gae Bolg Zenith

What you receive after you've turned in all your Atmas:

Gae Bolg Atma

You literally grind all those FATE's for a color change and the privilege of grinding myth tomes. No stat or damage increases, just a palette swap and a label that says Item Level 100.

...A 3% chance is a 3% chance no matter how many attempts you make at it. This isn't a grind, this is gambling and time/effort is the currency you're gambling with.

As I've mentioned before, I believe via probability analysis that the actual rate is lower than 3%. Have the devs actually stated that's what the rate is? Just curious.

[Demeos]

As I've mentioned before, I believe via probability analysis that the actual rate is lower than 3%. Have the devs actually stated that's what the rate is? Just curious.

As far as I know, they haven't. I've seen 3% thrown around by others, but can't rightly say whether it's accurate or not.

When I did the Atma drops on an alt, I would sometimes go anywhere between 5-10 hours without a drop and other times I'd get them as quickly as anywhere between the first and fifth FATE in a given zone. So with that bit of history, it doesn't seem like it takes previous FATE completions into account, but is straight-out per FATE.

[Theresa]

You said you just started... that's probably why you don't understand why people are complaining.

I finished my atma yesterday after 5 days of constantly farming (did more than 200 FATEs) and now I'm doing my first book. I'm thinking about leveling another class and I would totally farm atma again. I'm not trolling, I just can't understand why people quit for something they don't need to do. It's optional content, you can do Coil and get another weapon, it's not the only weapon in the game.

Look World of Warcraft, if you want a Legendary weapon you need to LOTS of stuff. Imagine Atma/Animus/Novus like a legendary (but easier to obtain, since you don't need to do end game content).

[RiceisNice]

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The thing with WoW legendary is that it was BiS for that content up until the next expansion. Up until 5.3, each "tier" of rewards were RNG-dependent quest drops from raids (weekly reset), but it was also far from being the only objective for that part of the quest. You had to do fairly challenging (for the time of release) solo-scenarios, reputation gains (which went alongside dailies), and even flat out time-gated like the 3000 valor (soliderly) achievement.

I can't say the same for Relic; unweathered weapons are so much more accessible now thanks to ST and hunts. From what I heard relics have always been equal or outperformed with each content update.

...The relic story isn't even that interesting either... they hand you your weapon and you talk to some smchuck that asks you to collect atmas, books and gems to empower it; mind you that it's power isnt that much stronger than something you'd get from a piece of rock.