atma drop rates

[YanDere]

I won't even bother quoting Avarghaladion-chan, who doesn't even try to discuss, may he say what pleases him, it's just been a soliloquy he made assuming false things.

YanDere, an atma drop is not skill, it's luck.

Nope. It just has a drop rate, you do it and you get your atma, soon or late. 3%? More than enough.
I don't even call that a "grind", it's just a FATE farm, and less than a week is required if you do it properly. Doing it properly doesn't mean that "I am so good because I got it", it means that if you camp the same fate and wait for it 45 minutes each time, you'll get an atma in a month. Do any FATE you can, even more than one together, keep getting gold and find the best spots on the map for farming, this will get you an atma in less than 4-5 hours if things are bad. I don't think I could get "extremely lucky" 12 times in a row.
Yes, there is luck involved in the process, but as long as you keep thinking "it's just luck" you'll never understand that the atma system is good like it is now, a soft and peaceful farm.
I wonder why does everyone complain about everything, whenever there's something that requires a bit of patience the forum is filled with whine posts "give dat weapon to me NOW I want dat weapon and I don't wanna grind".

[ElHeggunte]

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What? People are complaining, and rightfully so, because they are running around doing every FATE possible and still not seeing an Atma after several hours of grinding. There is no real "wrong" way to go about doing this so I really have no idea what you keep going on about. No one wants the weapon to just be handed to them, we just want a reasonable grind. Or at least a grind where your chances of success aren't based on chance.

A grind is fine as long as it's done right. The books leading up the Animus? Long, but reasonable because you directly control your rate of progression with your own skill. The Atma grind? Ridiculous by comparison because there's absolutely nothing you can do to influence the drop rate outside of doing every FATE you can and hoping that the roll of the dice favors you sooner rather than later. About the only "skill" that takes is a huge amount of patience.

Players and game companies alike need to stop mistaking tedium for difficulty.

[Divine_Intervention]

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bullcrap and poppycockle.

Started atma farming on 24th of last month. 3 in a few days.
Continued farming up until 2 days ago, AT LEAST 4 hours dedicated to it. Tagging lots of fates, waiting for easy ones to respawn, partying up to defeat harder ones, queing into dungeons when i got frustrated. NOTHING for about 2 weeks. Seriously, i've had pretty much NO gear progression for a month working on this.

2 days ago till last night - 7 atma drops, pretty much ten or so fates in each area.
Two more needed. Today - 6 hours purely fate farming, taking breaks giving my wife the controller because i was losing my patience. NOTHING.

There is no skill, there is no way to increase the odds. Even IF you're going by your method of tag every fate you can etc etc, it's ALL lucky. You got lucky, nothing more nothing less.

I'have 100 fingers held behind my back, choose the numbers of between one to three of them i have marked in order to win the prize. THAT is the atma system.

Nothing gentle about it. The fact i don't like fates, never did them levelling up, and have since got to about 5 or 6 hundred since starting this absolute rubbish that is atma.

Is it worth it, not really for the atma weapon itself, but i want the animus, novus and wherever else it goes to afterwards.

[YanDere]

a grind where your chances of success aren't based on chance.

wat
Are you really asking for a grind where your CHANCES are not based on CHANCE?
Then what you want next, a game where you don't have to play and a job where you don't need to work?

everything he said

Seriously. Stop saying it's all luck, you're just convincing yourself it's not your fault. There is luck, like in EVERY SINGLE grind in every videogame ever, but this is one of lightiest and easiest grinds I've ever seen. You have 3-4 fates per minute, do them, and if you don't drop a single atma in a day, do them again the day after. You are not "choosing 3 out of 100", it's up to you to be faster or slower in farming, you can do 1 fate per minute and you can do 4-5 fates per minute, this is how you increase the odds. Yes, there's the probability not to drop anything for days, but if you just want to get something for sure, spam coil turn 9.

You are all asking for SE to give you weapons for free, every time there's any kind of effort to put in a grind (regardless of how easy it is already) you blame SE for "doing it wrong".
You want the atma? Grind correctly and you'll have it in no more than a week.
What will you do when you get the atma, will you ask for 100 myth animus books which require 5 mobs kill each and give you +9999 on all stats?
Please, know what a grind is before saying I'm just a scum.

[Axlle10]

wat
Are you really asking for a grind where your CHANCES are not based on CHANCE?
Then what you want next, a game where you don't have to play and a job where you don't need to work?



Seriously. Stop saying it's all luck, you're just convincing yourself it's not your fault. There is luck, like in EVERY SINGLE grind in every videogame ever, but this is one of lightiest and easiest grinds I've ever seen. You have 3-4 fates per minute, do them, and if you don't drop a single atma in a day, do them again the day after. You are not "choosing 3 out of 100", it's up to you to be faster or slower in farming, you can do 1 fate per minute and you can do 4-5 fates per minute, this is how you increase the odds. Yes, there's the probability not to drop anything for days, but if you just want to get something for sure, spam coil turn 9.

You are all asking for SE to give you weapons for free, every time there's any kind of effort to put in a grind (regardless of how easy it is already) you blame SE for "doing it wrong".
You want the atma? Grind correctly and you'll have it in no more than a week.
What will you do when you get the atma, will you ask for 100 myth animus books which require 5 mobs kill each and give you +9999 on all stats?
Please, know what a grind is before saying I'm just a scum.

it is ALL luck tho. thats whats completely wrong with it. No one here is asking for a free weapon (even tho it should be way easier for ONLY a new skin). The thing is, some people are lucky, some arent. And there are absolutely no ways to "increase your odds" the drop has 1/100 chance to drop for EACH AND EVERY FATE. doing more or less does nothing to this chance which is exactly what people would like to see changed. And you can have a grind, but SMART GAME COMPANIES include a progression element to these to make the players feel like they are accomplishing something. Do XX number of fates and your chances increase to 5%! Do XXX number and increase to 10%! Get it now?

[Divine_Intervention]

hot air

Lol. It's all luck. You aren't taking into account the fact that a lot of time people are on, there aren't enough people in an area to complete fates and bugger off to the next one. BTW, i've completed the atma already.. and got my first book... after an hour of farming... so yeah -_-

This system is not fine, and the more elitists who say "oh we did it already , it's fine!", all the while complaining their own heads off when they were doing it.. yeah, that's not gonna get anything sorted.

And who said you were scum? I see nothing of the sort in my post.

Oh, and just an FYI, have a read The meaning of the word "grind" relating to video games

You did so many fates in a couple minutes, well big woop to you. Would you like a round of applause, or a chocolate bar. Shall I link to the hundreds of other posts of players in the same situation as many in this thread. I could use the one example of someone who's been farming this for 120hrs without a drop at all.

And we wonder why the system isn't being fixed ?

[YanDere]

And who said you were scum? I see nothing of the sort in my post.

Well that was just referring to Avarghaladion (who has blisted me for not agreeing with him lol), but now that I think of it, well...
"You did so many fates in a couple minutes, well big woop to you. Would you like a round of applause, or a chocolate bar."

But that's not such a big deal, anyone can say what they think, it's an open forum (I'm not going to commit suicide for that) :3

To everyone who says it's ALL luck and you can't increase the odds of dropping atmas, here's how RNG works:
You have 3% probability? Well then it Generates a Random Number (Random Number Generator, RNG, it's the name ) from 1 to 100, and if the number is equal or inferior to 3 then you drop.
This is the "luck-based" part.
If you do 1 FATE, you have 1 attempt to get the atma, if you do 2 FATEs you get 2 attempts. So, if you do 1 FATE you have 2 options: yes/no (50%), but if you do 2 FATEs you now have yes/yes, yes/no, no/yes, no/no (75%). It's 75% instead of 50%, which means 4.5% instead of 3%.
Is that luck? Or is that just doing more FATEs in less time?
What else do I need to tell you? Everything has method in it. The way you do things impacts strongly on them regardless of how difficult/RNG-based they are.
But I think this post isn't even a discussion, it's just a whine where you can't say how things really are or everyone will get upset and insult you deafly.

[Axlle10]

If you do 1 FATE, you have 1 attempt to get the atma, if you do 2 FATEs you get 2 attempts. So, if you do 1 FATE you have 2 options: yes/no (50%), but if you do 2 FATEs you now have yes/yes, yes/no, no/yes, no/no (75%). It's 75% instead of 50%, which means 4.5% instead of 3%.
Is that luck? Or is that just doing more FATEs in less time?

wow, just wow. please tell me you are joking. Here is how RNG truly works. Roll a 100 sided die and you must hit 1,2,or 3. You roll it once, hit 5. no atma. Now you dont get to advance from 1,2,3 to 1,2,3,4. you are stuck at 1,2,3 because that is the roll. Your CHANCE of getting the atma per fate does not change. The ILLUSION that more fates = higher chance of getting it is understandable that it can confuse people. So really. how do you see doing more fates = higher chance of dropping per fate. Its not the rate of atma dropping that you are talking about which is what everyone is upset about, its the theory of randomness evening out over time. Yes, the more fates you do the more likely you are to get an atma becuase more rolls = more 3% chances of it dropping. thats what your % is based off of.

Example:
you roll: no/no/no/no/no/no/no/no/yes/yes- your % per fate has now changed to 20% per fate. OMG! How did that happen?
now you roll: no/no/yes/no/yes - Now your % changed to 40% wow! even better!

but what you fail to realize is that for every no and every yes, there is EXACTLY EVERY TIME a 3% chance that the atma will drop. No matter how many you do that base chance does not increase at all.

[YanDere]

Are you even reading? I'm seriously doubting that now.
I didn't say you get a higher chance per fate, I said you get a higher overall drop chance. By trying twice a 3% drop, you have a 4.5% overall success rate, because it's [3x(75/50)]%
Are you just trying to find something wrong in what I say to justify that you are just poor unlucky victims of the unforgiving RNG gods?
Grow up, please.

Example:
you roll: no/no/no/no/no/no/no/no/yes/yes- your % per fate has now changed to 20% per fate. OMG! How did that happen?
now you roll: no/no/yes/no/yes - Now your % changed to 40% wow! even better!

You shouldn't have skipped elementary school.
I don't know what to begin with, your comment is just SOOOOO senseless, useless, and it just confirms you are just trying to justify yourself.
Your specific rolls don't matter as they are influenced by random numbers (are you sure you are the one who knows how RNG works?), but analyzing ALL the possible rolls gives you how many overall chances you have.
1 FATE = 50% (3%)
- Yes v 1 atma dropped
- No x no atma dropped
2 FATEs = 75% (4.5%)
- Yes/Yes v 2 atmas dropped
- Yes/No v 1 atma dropped
- No/Yes v 1 atma dropped
- No/No x no atma dropped
3 FATEs = 87.5% (5.25%)
- Yes/Yes/Yes v 3 atmas dropped
- Yes/Yes/No v 2 atmas dropped
- Yes/No/Yes v 2 atmas dropped
- Yes/No/No v 1 atma dropped
- No/Yes/Yes v 2 atmas dropped
- No/Yes/No v 1 atma dropped
- No/No/Yes v 1 atma dropped
- No/No/No x no atma dropped

THIS is how RNG works. You have the same drop rate in every single FATE (3%), but you have 3% dropping 1 atma from 1 FATE, 4.5% to drop 1 atma from 2 FATEs, 5.25% to drop 1 atma from 3 FATEs. And so on. So the more FATEs you do in the same time, the more odds you have of dropping at least 1 atma.