atma drop rates

[Avarghaladion]

So how does one "do it wrong" with RNG?

1) Try

2) Fail

3) Repeat

Really anyone participating in a RNG grind of this sort of lottery-esque proportion is losing... even if they're lucky... but I'm guessing that poster's original "doing it wrong" comment is straight up confirmation bias accompanied by lolego.

I see you still haven't googled Danjuro.
And, if you drop nothing you're just doing it wrong. If you know how to FATE properly, atma is easy, I got 12 atma crystals in 3 days.
Danjuro is insane, by the time you get 1 danjuro you could get a Novus from a lv80 relic.

L O Lno

"I got extremely lucky so everyone else must just be terrible and retarded." Fail logic ftw.

[EricCartmenez]

Took me less time to get my first set of 12 Atma's and I didn't farm any fates in particular. There is no gimmick. There is no right or wrong fate. There is just a series of fates you run. I have three atma of the scorpion and not one came from particular fates, areas, or types of fates. 2 atma of the maiden, same thing... I could go down the list. I farmed for a couple hours yesterday, two drops. It's not skill, it's pure luck and of course a little determination. Upper La Noscea was running back and forth between the East and West areas till finally it dropped. Transport to next area (East Shroud), three random fate's later - atma. Not the same one I got the first time. I can only hope my luck continues, especially reading some of these terrible posts of hours wasted.

[EricCartmenez]

YanDere, an atma drop is not skill, it's luck. You get one or you don't. I farmed last night and got 4 in about about 3 hours. I didn't hit particular fates, I just went to the closest on the map and kept going. My friend on PS4 chat said, "You should buy a lottery ticket. You get those thing like others get animal skins." I jokingly said, "This is BS, I've run 10 fates and no drop. I quit... <fake rant ensued>" Next fate, drop. A bunch of stupid little fish in Horizon. No boss. Wasn't hard. Level synch'd so low that I couldn't use Stone II! A pugilist who kept killing everything before I could get a single Stone off kept me from getting gold. DROP. The one I got for my Bard happened to be a boss fate in Horizon. A big yarzon spider or marlboro, can't remember which. One solo, one not. One gold, one silver. One boss, one wimpy fish. One hard, one easy. One in the middle of the map, one at the north end. Theory - destroyed.

[YanDere]

I won't even bother quoting Avarghaladion-chan, who doesn't even try to discuss, may he say what pleases him, it's just been a soliloquy he made assuming false things.

YanDere, an atma drop is not skill, it's luck.

Nope. It just has a drop rate, you do it and you get your atma, soon or late. 3%? More than enough.
I don't even call that a "grind", it's just a FATE farm, and less than a week is required if you do it properly. Doing it properly doesn't mean that "I am so good because I got it", it means that if you camp the same fate and wait for it 45 minutes each time, you'll get an atma in a month. Do any FATE you can, even more than one together, keep getting gold and find the best spots on the map for farming, this will get you an atma in less than 4-5 hours if things are bad. I don't think I could get "extremely lucky" 12 times in a row.
Yes, there is luck involved in the process, but as long as you keep thinking "it's just luck" you'll never understand that the atma system is good like it is now, a soft and peaceful farm.
I wonder why does everyone complain about everything, whenever there's something that requires a bit of patience the forum is filled with whine posts "give dat weapon to me NOW I want dat weapon and I don't wanna grind".

[ElHeggunte]

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What? People are complaining, and rightfully so, because they are running around doing every FATE possible and still not seeing an Atma after several hours of grinding. There is no real "wrong" way to go about doing this so I really have no idea what you keep going on about. No one wants the weapon to just be handed to them, we just want a reasonable grind. Or at least a grind where your chances of success aren't based on chance.

A grind is fine as long as it's done right. The books leading up the Animus? Long, but reasonable because you directly control your rate of progression with your own skill. The Atma grind? Ridiculous by comparison because there's absolutely nothing you can do to influence the drop rate outside of doing every FATE you can and hoping that the roll of the dice favors you sooner rather than later. About the only "skill" that takes is a huge amount of patience.

Players and game companies alike need to stop mistaking tedium for difficulty.

[Divine_Intervention]

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bullcrap and poppycockle.

Started atma farming on 24th of last month. 3 in a few days.
Continued farming up until 2 days ago, AT LEAST 4 hours dedicated to it. Tagging lots of fates, waiting for easy ones to respawn, partying up to defeat harder ones, queing into dungeons when i got frustrated. NOTHING for about 2 weeks. Seriously, i've had pretty much NO gear progression for a month working on this.

2 days ago till last night - 7 atma drops, pretty much ten or so fates in each area.
Two more needed. Today - 6 hours purely fate farming, taking breaks giving my wife the controller because i was losing my patience. NOTHING.

There is no skill, there is no way to increase the odds. Even IF you're going by your method of tag every fate you can etc etc, it's ALL lucky. You got lucky, nothing more nothing less.

I'have 100 fingers held behind my back, choose the numbers of between one to three of them i have marked in order to win the prize. THAT is the atma system.

Nothing gentle about it. The fact i don't like fates, never did them levelling up, and have since got to about 5 or 6 hundred since starting this absolute rubbish that is atma.

Is it worth it, not really for the atma weapon itself, but i want the animus, novus and wherever else it goes to afterwards.

[YanDere]

a grind where your chances of success aren't based on chance.

wat
Are you really asking for a grind where your CHANCES are not based on CHANCE?
Then what you want next, a game where you don't have to play and a job where you don't need to work?

everything he said

Seriously. Stop saying it's all luck, you're just convincing yourself it's not your fault. There is luck, like in EVERY SINGLE grind in every videogame ever, but this is one of lightiest and easiest grinds I've ever seen. You have 3-4 fates per minute, do them, and if you don't drop a single atma in a day, do them again the day after. You are not "choosing 3 out of 100", it's up to you to be faster or slower in farming, you can do 1 fate per minute and you can do 4-5 fates per minute, this is how you increase the odds. Yes, there's the probability not to drop anything for days, but if you just want to get something for sure, spam coil turn 9.

You are all asking for SE to give you weapons for free, every time there's any kind of effort to put in a grind (regardless of how easy it is already) you blame SE for "doing it wrong".
You want the atma? Grind correctly and you'll have it in no more than a week.
What will you do when you get the atma, will you ask for 100 myth animus books which require 5 mobs kill each and give you +9999 on all stats?
Please, know what a grind is before saying I'm just a scum.

[Axlle10]

wat
Are you really asking for a grind where your CHANCES are not based on CHANCE?
Then what you want next, a game where you don't have to play and a job where you don't need to work?



Seriously. Stop saying it's all luck, you're just convincing yourself it's not your fault. There is luck, like in EVERY SINGLE grind in every videogame ever, but this is one of lightiest and easiest grinds I've ever seen. You have 3-4 fates per minute, do them, and if you don't drop a single atma in a day, do them again the day after. You are not "choosing 3 out of 100", it's up to you to be faster or slower in farming, you can do 1 fate per minute and you can do 4-5 fates per minute, this is how you increase the odds. Yes, there's the probability not to drop anything for days, but if you just want to get something for sure, spam coil turn 9.

You are all asking for SE to give you weapons for free, every time there's any kind of effort to put in a grind (regardless of how easy it is already) you blame SE for "doing it wrong".
You want the atma? Grind correctly and you'll have it in no more than a week.
What will you do when you get the atma, will you ask for 100 myth animus books which require 5 mobs kill each and give you +9999 on all stats?
Please, know what a grind is before saying I'm just a scum.

it is ALL luck tho. thats whats completely wrong with it. No one here is asking for a free weapon (even tho it should be way easier for ONLY a new skin). The thing is, some people are lucky, some arent. And there are absolutely no ways to "increase your odds" the drop has 1/100 chance to drop for EACH AND EVERY FATE. doing more or less does nothing to this chance which is exactly what people would like to see changed. And you can have a grind, but SMART GAME COMPANIES include a progression element to these to make the players feel like they are accomplishing something. Do XX number of fates and your chances increase to 5%! Do XXX number and increase to 10%! Get it now?

[MilesSaintboroguh]

RNG is still luck no matter how you slice it. Saying people want something for nothing is just a hyperbole; people who are against the Atma grind have complained, but many others also gave ideas on how to make it better while still requiring a lot of work to be put in. You cannot do FATE farming wrong; you grind the same ones at the same rate over and over again and either get lucky or you don't. You can do just a few day and get lucky or don't. That's the nature of RNG. Do the same FATEs 500 times a day or do them just 40 times in a day, it's still up to luck to decide whether or not you get the drop.

People that insist that the grind for Atma is not bad and that people should stop whining are simply refusing to see problems from the other side or lack the ability to understand.

[Divine_Intervention]

hot air

Lol. It's all luck. You aren't taking into account the fact that a lot of time people are on, there aren't enough people in an area to complete fates and bugger off to the next one. BTW, i've completed the atma already.. and got my first book... after an hour of farming... so yeah -_-

This system is not fine, and the more elitists who say "oh we did it already , it's fine!", all the while complaining their own heads off when they were doing it.. yeah, that's not gonna get anything sorted.

And who said you were scum? I see nothing of the sort in my post.

Oh, and just an FYI, have a read The meaning of the word "grind" relating to video games

You did so many fates in a couple minutes, well big woop to you. Would you like a round of applause, or a chocolate bar. Shall I link to the hundreds of other posts of players in the same situation as many in this thread. I could use the one example of someone who's been farming this for 120hrs without a drop at all.

And we wonder why the system isn't being fixed ?