atma drop rates

[Undeadfire]

SE absolutely does change their stance when players speak out thus ARR's current form. Yoshi listened very closely and vowed to continue doing so. Content like this will continue to come out so long as we, the players don't say anything about it being awful. If we don't speak up, then by the time they realize they're losing subs for this reason it'll have already been too late.

Furthermore, you're referencing one guy's opinion on Reddit which is a forum for discussion similar to what we're doing now. In fact, most people in that discussion disagree with the current Atma system as well.

Well bye then, good talking to ya if whoever quits. Since people got the idea they can complain anything since they pay, that's all latest community does...

If you're going to quit because of the Atma system, you have some serious minority issues. If the weapons turn out better than High Allagan. Those people don't even belong here to complain about some system. Lets give everyone the ultimate weapon that takes a lot less work than the High Allagan!

[Dinh]

Well bye then, good talking to ya if whoever quits. Since people got the idea they can complain anything since they pay, that's all latest community does...

If you're going to quit because of the Atma system, you have some serious minority issues. If the weapons turn out better than High Allagan. Those people don't even belong here to complain about some system. Lets give everyone the ultimate weapon that takes a lot less work than the High Allagan!

WORK =/= TIME SPENT

[Undeadfire]

WORK =/= TIME SPENT

So getting 13500 myth for animus form isn't working for it? People wanted FFXIV to go like 11, now they hate it.

Luck is always going to be involved. Getting your drop after a massive grind in Coil: Luck.

Getting your weapon in primal: Luck.

Getting mirror in Leviathan EX: Luck.

Ooo, I err, spent over 3 days grinding fates, I'm entitled to my Atma Weapon. Surree, lets get it done in 1 month early before the next upgrade in when animus is worse than Gerolds Master Works. SE doesn't expect you to finish it before 2.25, just get over it and move on.

[windrimondo]

haha please understand the difference between working hard for something valuable versus being insane. How do you justify when some people spend over 23 hours just for one Atma crystal while some spend less than 5 hours for three? Nobody wants this game to be "easy". I agree that top notch items should not be easily obtained by players...but god damnit at least make it fair. You may be lucky, your friends may be lucky, but there are players out there grinding insanely for one single atma. how would you like to spend 20 hours getting one Atma? And for all you know, the next one could take 40 hours, 100 hours, years. You want to say, "you might get it in 1 minute", yes but if you do some statistics, it is much more likely to spend years than 1 minute for an Atma. So please be considerate.

[AmyNeudaiz]

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Hold on now. You see according to pro-Atma logic since you don't like Atma, you want EZmode and want things RIGHT NOW! You best stop being so entitled. Other games are worse you know! That totally justifies it.

[YanDere]

haha please understand the difference between working hard for something valuable versus being insane.

I see you still haven't googled Danjuro.
And, if you drop nothing you're just doing it wrong. If you know how to FATE properly, atma is easy, I got 12 atma crystals in 3 days.
Danjuro is insane, by the time you get 1 danjuro you could get a Novus from a lv80 relic.

[Nova_Dresden]

So getting 13500 myth for animus form isn't working for it? People wanted FFXIV to go like 11, now they hate it.

No, some people expected it to be like XI, it wasn't. 1.0 was nothing like XI except for the false gating put in place and endless grinding. There was a reason this game tanked after the first month and required a rebuild. And 13,500 mythology is quantifiable. It's a numerical goal and you can monitor progress on it at all times. I can burn through them all at once or just take my time. But either way it is a measurable goal that can be easily monitored whereas Atma require an unquantified amount of time with the possibility of no results.

Luck is always going to be involved. Getting your drop after a massive grind in Coil: Luck.

Getting your weapon in primal: Luck.

Getting mirror in Leviathan EX: Luck.

You're confusing the two systems entirely. Luck is always in play, but the two systems are entirely different.
Let's use turn 5 as an example. Once you beat it, 2 chests pop.
One chest has 9 weapons with a guaranteed drop of one making an 11.1111 (repeating) percent chance per weapon.
The second chest has 9 armor items with the same percent chance to drop.
Even if your item doesn't drop it's a guaranteed system that SOMETHING will drop.

The Atmas are completely random and it's entirely possible to never get one. It's not a loot pool to pray for your drop. It's a completely random drop, from a completely random FATE, there are 12 of them in total, and since the rates are so low some players may never see all of them or even just one. No player of any game should accept something like this. Especially if they're paying for the subscription.

Ooo, I err, spent over 3 days grinding fates, I'm entitled to my Atma Weapon. Surree, lets get it done in 1 month early before the next upgrade in when animus is worse than Gerolds Master Works. SE doesn't expect you to finish it before 2.25, just get over it and move on.

I'm almost positive that Animus will be worse than Gerolt's Master Works. I'm also almost positive that you will need Animus to upgrade to that. This seems to be a continuous quest chain, and all this quest really is is just a false grindy wall that some people overcome quickly and some will probably never overcome.

[lxSch]

The Atmas are completely random and it's entirely possible to never get one. It's not a loot pool to pray for your drop. It's a completely random drop, from a completely random FATE, there are 12 of them in total, and since the rates are so low some players may never see all of them or even just one. No player of any game should accept something like this. Especially if they're paying for the subscription.

A lot of mmos use the rng system where you would kill something and it drops nothing, with drop chance like 1/25000, and players actually like it. FFXIV setting (where every dungeon drops a guaranteed equipable gear) is why many people say it's a casual mmo - this setting is not very popular overall.

The issue of atma as i see is firstly not rewarding enough, second - process is not enjoyable, third - no other rewards alongside. SE could allow minion, fashion and gear drop from fates for example so it would not be a waste of time. But when the only reason someone is doing fates is for the sole 1/100 item drop - of course it looks very boring and unrewarding.
I do fates only when i have nothing else to do: before 2.2 i would queue for primals as a healer, but now i don't.

[Nova_Dresden]

A lot of mmos use the rng system where you would kill something and it drops nothing, with drop chance like 1/25000, and players actually like it. FFXIV setting (where every dungeon drops a guaranteed equipable gear) is why many people say it's a casual mmo - this setting is not very popular overall.

Translation: I like very low drop rates and so does everyone else.

FFXIV:ARR was marketed and sold as a casual friendly MMO. It was never meant to be in the same league as the old grind-fest MMOs. If players really, REALLY liked that kind of gameplay than FFXIV 1.0 would have been a smash hit and would have been raking in money instead of tanking the same month it was released which required they rebuild the game from the ground up and the original team got "restructured" (pretty sure that's a fancy word for fired). If your expectation was for a grindy, hard game with the possibility of zero progress then you bought the wrong game. The market for MMOs has completely shifted from that and it's not profitable to make them that way anymore. You can like whatever kind of game you like, but don't for a second think this game was meant for the hardcore when they specifically said it was designed for the casual player.

I'm not dropping $50 for a console game I can play at my leisure. I'm spending at leas $180 a year in subscription fees, and this is not the kind of gameplay I signed up for.

[blacksheepwall]

If they just made it so can also pick them up once activated from any character, I'd be happy as it is. Riding back and forth for hours, not just in the hope you get a drop but actually get to the fate before it's been stomped is soul destroying stuff.