atma drop rates

[Lycos]

I like that they added the RNG for these items. Gives me something to do while none of my friends are online. It also gives me a happy feeling of acomplishment when i get an Atma. I am trying to get around 1 per day, and i am @ 4/12 so far. Before the last update, i had my ilvl90 and was geting bored. Now, there is plunty to do and i am not in a rush to get max gear. This is a game and why does everyone want the best gear on DAY1. Work for it people.

[Morphiana]

So why don't we discuss some ideas on how this can be solved? Here are some ideas just at random, some of which have been mentioned:

Idea: Have a base drop rate. This drop rate increases over time / fates done in the same area.
Example: You've been farming an atma in Central Thanalan for 2 hours or you've done over 50 fates in the same area. The drop rate will then go up 1-2% every following hour or every 10 fates there after.
Why this idea? It creates a system where people feel like they have control over the situation.


Idea: Let people farm them on their alts once they've activated the quest.
Why this idea? It allows people to feel as though they're not wasting their time entirely. It allows them to progress in other avenues, to get joy out of their time. Most importantly, you feel as though you've progressed in some area after grinding for 4-5 hours instead of feeling like you've wasted your time.





What are other ideas people have?

[Estellios]

Idea: Let people farm them on their alts once they've activated the quest.
Why this idea? It allows people to feel as though they're not wasting their time entirely. It allows them to progress in other avenues, to get joy out of their time. Most importantly, you feel as though you've progressed in some area after grinding for 4-5 hours instead of feeling like you've wasted your time.

It should work like this IMO. That way at least the XP from the FATE isn't going to waste and just getting the quest in the first place is proof enough you have a Zenith weapon.

[Undeadfire]

SE doesn't seem to change their stance anyway... The best point of Atmas from Reddit.

Besides, we got till Late April or Early May before we even see the next upgrade. There are other content that's more worth your time. Do FATEs in your free time then spending every game day trying to get Atmas, there's no rush....

[Orson_Dara]

SE doesn't seem to change their stance anyway... The best point of Atmas from Reddit.

Besides, we got till Late April or Early May before we even see the next upgrade. There are other content that's more worth your time. Do FATEs in your free time then spending every game day trying to get Atmas, there's no rush....

You don't understand the books are the grind. The initial atmas are just there to screw a big chunk of people with bad RNG. If you don't get lucky then you may not even be done the atma's by the time the next patch comes out. People who think this is acceptable are either lucky or have literally nothing better to do than just doing the most boring, unengaging content ever.

[Undeadfire]

People who think this is acceptable are either lucky or have literally nothing better to do than just doing the most boring, unengaging content ever.

Max levels, no one on FC, Coil events done.... Riggghhttt.....

[Orson_Dara]

Max levels, no one on FC, Coil events done.... Riggghhttt.....

So you're lucky? Regardless most people would rather being doing content that is actually fun. Not getting screwed by a bad RNG. You can't justify this as content it's just rehashing the leveling process in the worst possible way. Let me ask you this when are you going to start doing your second job or your third? Also what positive is there to have it where some people do it for 6 hrs and get all of them and then others go 6 hrs getting none? Please enlighten me as to why this is a good system? Some far every proponent of this has either gotten lucky on drops and basically said, "it's not that bad, you can just do it when you're bored out of your mind and have nothing better to do."

You know what I have better to do? Play a different game that actually is fun.

[Undeadfire]

Never claimed it was a good system.... SE has decided this, nothing you can do about it. I just have a lot of free time in my life and playing this.

I dedicated and yes I did actually get quite lucky on the Atmas after my 1st dropped. All night and grind a pack of hours to finally get my 1st Atma. This isn't the worst thing SE has done in a MMO, unless you wish for me to mention the Mythc Weapons in 11.

[Nova_Dresden]

Math

That applies over a large sample group over time. However the drops are on a FATE by FATE basis. If it is a 1% drop rate per FATE, then every FATE you have 99% chance of getting nothing. Statistically someone can perpetually run FATEs endlessly and never receive an ATMA because each time they have a 99% chance of receiving nothing. You can improve your odds by running more FATEs (similar to improving your odds at winning the lottery by buying more tickets), but there is a distinct possibility that someone out there will never receive one Atma. This is why every drop-based RNG has a failsafe built into it or is increased over time.

What they SHOULD have done, is to make the first part of the quest

I'd have rather "Up In Arms" have been this as a one-time farm for all of them. Then individual weapons be the Myth/book grind.

You know what I have better to do? Play a different game that actually is fun.

This may be the only thing to actually get a change on this.

This isn't the worst thing SE has done in a MMO, unless you wish for me to mention the Mythc Weapons in 11.

Just because something was done in the past doesn't make it OK to do again. The MMO market is saturated and there are many games to play besides this one. There are actually competitive games out against this one, Elder Scrolls launched, 2 new systems just released with new games, and there are still the older games holding on. Once this stops being fun there are options, and that's what kills an MMO now. This isn't fun, it won't end well.

[Morphiana]

SE doesn't seem to change their stance anyway... The best point of Atmas from Reddit.

SE absolutely does change their stance when players speak out thus ARR's current form. Yoshi listened very closely and vowed to continue doing so. Content like this will continue to come out so long as we, the players don't say anything about it being awful. If we don't speak up, then by the time they realize they're losing subs for this reason it'll have already been too late.

Furthermore, you're referencing one guy's opinion on Reddit which is a forum for discussion similar to what we're doing now. In fact, most people in that discussion disagree with the current Atma system as well.