atma drop rates

[winsock]

Lol, pages of discussion about how drop rates and RNG work...

The issue with atma farming is that it isn't fun. I had 1 piece take me near 10 hrs of farming before it dropped. Grinding for that long against low lvl content, without making any progress, is not fun. These fates aren't risky or challenging, don't offer valuable rewards (save atma), and you have no idea what the value of your time spent will be.

The books to do the animus upgrade are much better, imo. It will likely take me longer than the initial upgrade to atma, but I can see my progress and aside from waiting for the occasional fate, have an idea about the amount of benefit I receive for the time I invest.

[RiceisNice]

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That's what I feel is the biggest problem in the design of the Atma. Who is it directed to? The amount of RNG and possible time invested requirement, especially for this segment isn't directed to people who'd spend 2-3 hours a day on the game. The end reward is weaker than HA weapons for people who can regularly clear those sections. The idea of making a party to "farm/grind" FATEs defeats the purpose of helping out actual lowbies (since you're clearing them before anyone can get to it).

It's not consistent, it's not involving, there isn't even much of a fantastic lore/story behind building your relic weapon to be your weapon. Especially now with ST and hunts out, you could just loot a piece of rock from Xande, trade it to some schmuck for a weapon, kill some giant green penguins for hunting logs, exchange those for sands and toss it into a furnace for the same Ilvl and possibly already-optimized stats.

[YanDere]

Well, if it's just about what do you like, you can skip it.
You can't ask for a fix on something you don't like, I like it and I want it exactly as it is. It's a pain, yes, it's long, ok, but it's exactly as it should be. I'd accept it even if it was a 0.0001% chance, and I do accept it being it 3% so why should they "fix" it?
"To fix" means to adjust something which is basically wrong, not something you don't like. Even if 99% of the community hates it (and this is not the case), it's good as it is: you do something long and boring, to get a good weapon. You want a reward for what you do? Get lost and farm your damn second coil, greedy man. If you want an atma, you'll have to farm FATEs, and that's it.

[Axlle10]

Well, if it's just about what do you like, you can skip it.
You can't ask for a fix on something you don't like, I like it and I want it exactly as it is. It's a pain, yes, it's long, ok, but it's exactly as it should be. I'd accept it even if it was a 0.0001% chance, and I do accept it being it 3% so why should they"fix" it?
"To fix" means to adjust something which is basically wrong, not something you don't like. Even if 99% of the community hates it (and this is not the case), it's good as it is: you do something long and boring, to get a good weapon. You want a reward for what you do? Get lost and farm your damn second coil, greedy man. If you want an atma, you'll have to farm FATEs, and that's it.

It was very short for quite a few, so argument invalid

So something that you claim is perfect yet lots of others claim is broken means that its not broken, just because you said so. Ok. lol Again, your argument is invalid.

If 99% of the community did not like something, any game company would fix it. ever heard of Customer support?

You do something long and boring for a SKIN on a weapon. Nothing happens to the weapon to make it good. That part comes later.

I will indeed farm my coil when I can with my FC instead of all these PF scrubs ive been finding. Its not that important to me as is dealing with this issue that plagues a great game.

I did farm atmas for my weapon. Im on the Novus quest right now. I dont plan on doing another because it was stupidly long for such a ridiculous "reward".

So ms deal with it. i say to you:



people always have different points of views than yourself. Just because they do, doesnt mean you should ignore 100% of what they say.

[Avarghaladion]

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I would be surprised if you weren't just being trolled at this point.

[YanDere]

If 99% of the community did not like something, any game company would fix it. ever heard of Customer support?

Did you try sending a mail to customer support, or even better, chatting with someone from customer support asking them to "fix" atmas? Please do it and send me a screen when you get laughed hard on your face ^^
"Plaguing the game", well you sure look like it's your first videogame ever, is that so? 90% of RPGs, especially JRPGs, have far longer farms for far smaller rewards. And please, stop saying it's a skin. Would you be on Novus now if you hadn't farmed atmas? Nope. And if atma hadn't existed, you'd just have to farm atmas, then do 9 books all with your Zenith to get Animus, because lv100 isn't someting you get with just 9 books in 2.3.
But this thread ended so long ago, when you started saying it was "unfair". You sure need some experience, I mean, a whole lot of experience.
And Avarghaladion-chan needs something to say, which I see he gravely lacks. See you in Duty Finder, if you haven't /blisted me yet

P.S.: I'm not sure what should I "deal with", I have my atma and going for animus, I'm fine with that and I'm not going to be "mad" just for a rainbow dash /img on a forum I don't follow that much :3
I'm even going to do another atma on WAR, I like that system.

[Axlle10]

Did you try sending a mail to customer support, or even better, chatting with someone from customer support asking them to "fix" atmas? Please do it and send me a screen when you get laughed hard on your face ^^

"Plaguing the game", well you sure look like it's your first videogame ever, is that so? 90% of RPGs, especially JRPGs, have far longer farms for far smaller rewards.

And please, stop saying it's a skin. Would you be on Novus now if you hadn't farmed atmas? Nope. And if atma hadn't existed, you'd just have to farm atmas, then do 9 books all with your Zenith to get Animus, because lv100 isn't someting you get with just 9 books in 2.3.

But this thread ended so long ago, when you started saying it was "unfair". You sure need some experience, I mean, a whole lot of experience.

And Avarghaladion-chan needs something to say, which I see he gravely lacks. See you in Duty Finder, if you haven't /blisted me yet

P.S.: I'm not sure what should I "deal with", I have my atma and going for animus, I'm fine with that and I'm not going to be "mad" just for a rainbow dash /img on a forum I don't follow that much :3
I'm even going to do another atma on WAR, I like that system.

God, you are a broken record. Did you even read anything in any of my posts or are you just plain doing the NOPE NOPE NOPE game?

lol. Lets go over it again, just because i find explaining this to you in simpler and simpler ways so funny as time goes on. (Even if you are trolling)

I did send an email stating ways to IMPROVE on the system, and like most improvements no email was sent back as im sure they have plenty. So they havent laughed in my face that i can see. I'm sure i'm laughing more at your posts ^_^

Actually its not. which is why i can say that plenty of the other games had the same kind of rewards but multiple ways to do it for a decent reward. Seems like you are the one lacking MMO experience.

But ATMA is JUST A SKIN. thats the whole ATMA part of the quest chain. Animus comes from the ANIMUS chain, Novus comes from NOVUS chain. Its quite funny to see you refer to it all as one big lumped sum when the problem people find with it is in one part, not the whole. Thats what your failing to comprehend. And a TRUE ilvl100 weapon only comes from the Animus part, not the atma. and answer me this, how could i farm atmas if atmas never existed? you just blew my mind XD

I said it was unfair yes, for the sole purpose of what Yoshida P has stated. He does not want to nerf/buff the atma chain because of peoples "hard work". Now if it was something equally hard for everyone, instead of just 5 fates in each zone for lots of people, then yes, i would not be talking bout this right now. And then they go onto say they delayed novus update because "Not enough people have their animus yet". If you were actually paying attention to what has been happening you would understand why people are a little upset.

And its great you like the system. I didnt care for it. Does it mean it must be changed? no. Does it mean it could use improvement for those that dont like it? Very much so. I actually loved the animus part. So doesnt that mean you should be in here complaining that the animus should have been purely rng? cause thats what your logic says.

[winsock]

I like it and I want it exactly as it is.

It's a pain...
you do something long and boring, to get a good weapon...

If you want an atma, you'll have to farm FATEs, and that's it.

You like it, you want to keep it... but at the end of the day find it to be painful, time consuming, and boring.

I'll assume the "time consuming" part is needed, but there is no reason SE shouldn't make an effort to alleviate the pain and boredom. It is a game after all. Completing the 9 books to upgrade to animus looks like they're going to take me much more time than atma farming, but they are substantially less boring and painful than fate grinding for 9hrs just to get a single drop.

[Theresa]

I starded atma farming and I don't think it's broken. It is BORING but not broken at all (in my opinion).

I just see people complaining because they can't get it as fast as they want.

[YanDere]

Animus is way more boring than atma, because of the myth farm, but still, I find it's fine. This is how grind works, you have to do something boring to get good upgrades - and again, I won't accept narrow-minded answers like "it's just a skin" - and if it wasn't boring, it wouldn't be a grind.
I enjoy it because it's rewarding, you do something long and get something good, which is not just a skin, but a further step towards a big upgrade like animus and novus.
People who complain about the drop rates know absolutely nothing about RPGs and should either play some other videogames or stop playing them and be quiet, instead of asking for easy rewards.
Here is the difference between Coil and Relic:
Coil =
Skill - High
Time - Short
Relic =
Skill - Low
Time - Long

If the drop rate happened to be raised, zodiac quest would just become a low skill-short time-high reward quest, which is definitely bad.