Complain all you want..

[XiaoliVorgan]

I've tried to get some atma for a few hours yesterday and today, haven't seen anything. Wasn't even sure if I was doing it right.

Relic check
Plus 1 check
Designated area check
gold win check

Nothing. I figured oh well, I give up for now because I can do other things but the reality is, those who want it, will have to bang it out right now while people are actually still doing them. Up until patch, fate grinding was pretty dead except for in spots like northern thanalan and coerthas. Places like east and south shroud would have like a whopping 10-15 people doing fates taking like 8-10 minutes per fate. Now there are people every where, smashing fates in 3-5 minutes like it was in the very beginning.

It's now or never.

[Lafiele]

Completely not true. Most fates can be completed solo (even boss fates only require a couple of people) and even before 2.2, fates were still done here and then. Sure it isn't zerged down within a few minutes of spawn but it is definitely far from your definition of "now or never". This is what i'm talking about, impatient people who exaggerate.

[Amberion]

to have a feeling of progression it's better than simply pray each time you finish a fate to be lucky.

You probably have just as many who prefer this to what you prefer.

[SluggySluggy]

I hate the grind but will do it because I like raiding, and there's potential for the progression of this weapon to later become important for that goal. I think THIS is really what has so many people's pannies in a bunch, is that there appears to be a lot of hullabaloo about these weapons and there's no guarantee they won't later be at the top of the BiS list in importance.

Yes, the content is "optional" (the whole game is optional!)--but there are other goals a person can have which render it fairly non-optional.

All of this other BS aside, I just don't like the idea that someone can work 1/24th as hard as I have to and get the same thing. At least with loot RNG there is some skill involved, because you must first clear the boss. You have to work for your loot.

Here it's just any old moron with a zenith can get it if they're willing to push 1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2 for enough hours.

[Wildsprite]

That's just not how probability works. The exact same? Really?
Of course there's luck involved and I'd prefer a progress I can track as well. But that doesn't excuse making false statements/severe hyperbole.

with this case its exactly how it works, all you have to do is realize that this is very similar to many of the drops in XI, there is no false statement or hyperbole in the statement you replied to. the RNG they are using for the drop on those atma is one of the worst in any game ever. if you look at how it works. the probability of that drop is .02 and .00000000000000000000000002. go ahead and look up drop rates on things in FFXI, many super hardcore players never got drops they wanted do to that RNG which seems to be very much the same as this one.

I know a lot of hardcore players that are extremely angry at these drop rates.

not to mention there should be specific FATEs for them not every FATE in the zone, low level players are getting the hit on that.

[Madruck]

This bull!#$% is the worst thing I have seen in regards to character progression ever in a MMO, its one thing to make someone grind fates and dungeons to level up alt jobs, but to make people once they have gotten to 50 to keep fate grind for endless hours is the most dumbest thing I have seen SE do. Did you really think that making a player spend countless hours doing fates repetitively while earning absolutely nothing was a smart business move? As much as Final Fantasy is a grind as so many people have posted on here to make a stupid point which is irrelevant, Final Fantasy is grindy in the past for the purpose of your character growing and earning XP, what the hell does spending 10+ hours doing the same fates over and over again earn you? Nothing, just a big waste of freaking time when all I have to do now is focus on EX Leviathan until I beat it with my great FC to earn a almost equal weapon that took 10 times less effort and time to do. Smart move SE....Real smart and stupid!!!!!

[KupoNuts]

"OMG Square, I only log in on Mondays and I have nothing left to do for entire week! Change it or I quit!"

*Square adds long term goal and a reason to log in every day*

"OMG Square what is this sh*t I can't play every day! Change it or I quit!"

[GerMagic]

"OMG Square, I only log in on Mondays and I have nothing left to do for entire week! Change it or I quit!"

*Square adds long term goal and a reason to log in every day*

"OMG Square what is this sh*t I can't play every day! Change it or I quit!"

This. The community destroys every MMO. Everyone keeps complaining like a little 3 y.o. and then Blizzard/SE/all the other companies "fix" it for those that complained the most. Of course that dissatisfies another group, which then complains until it's "fixed" again. Rinse and repeat.

Guys, this is an MMO. If you want everything go cheat in a single player game. Everyone should try to enjoy this. If you NEED to get every piece of equipment, well, you will have to do something you don't like in pretty much every game. Play like you enjoy it. Noones forced to grind these, noones forced to farm coil, noones forced to do anything. Everyone that's complaining here should question themselves, if FF XIV is a game or if they mistook it for their lives.
(and no, not a flame "lol, play less" - I'm currently spending a ton of time on this game, but I'm not bothering with these FATEs since I don't like it, end of the story.)

[UmbraAmara]

This. The community destroys every MMO. Everyone keeps complaining like a little 3 y.o. and then Blizzard/SE/all the other companies "fix" it for those that complained the most. Of course that dissatisfies another group, which then complains until it's "fixed" again. Rinse and repeat.

Guys, this is an MMO. If you want everything go cheat in a single player game. Everyone should try to enjoy this. If you NEED to get every piece of equipment, well, you will have to do something you don't like in pretty much every game. Play like you enjoy it. Noones forced to grind these, noones forced to farm coil, noones forced to do anything. Everyone that's complaining here should question themselves, if FF XIV is a game or if they mistook it for their lives.
(and no, not a flame "lol, play less" - I'm currently spending a ton of time on this game, but I'm not bothering with these FATEs since I don't like it, end of the story.)

^^ This person speaks sense!!
The people saying it was a bad move are stupid, they are pointing out that they can get allagan/withered weapons with barely any work lol... So erm... Why are you complaining exactly!? If you can get weapons which are same stats or even more powerful elsewhere then go do exactly that, while you're at it leave the people that enjoy working for something alone instead of trying to mess it up with your flawed logic. Fools *sigh*

[Kiara1]

"OMG Square, I only log in on Mondays and I have nothing left to do for entire week! Change it or I quit!"

*Square adds long term goal and a reason to log in every day*

"OMG Square what is this sh*t I can't play every day! Change it or I quit!"

This is the second mmo I ever play, I played wow vanilla like 8 years ago or so. Grinding for a few hours to get something is nothing. It took me 6-8months to get my first epic piece since I got to level 60 in wow, and people are complaining already? Like three days after patch release. No one complained about stuff like that 8 years ago, everyone kept doing dungeons and dungeons til they finally got what they wanted.
I think most people here see the game as a single player game and they forget about other aspects of the game, such as the social one and they just want the best gear 3 days after the patch