Complain all you want..

[Hayward]

The lot of you who keep talking about how long it takes, listen here I camped a NM on FFXI 24 hours just for brown belt item versus several other people and if I didn't get it I would camp even longer.

I know you all have tried FFXI what do you want it just to be handed to you without any work done haha I think SE cut you a break if you ask me.

I suppose you want a medal for that, don't you? Just because people don't have the time or inclination to do the equivalent of climbing Mount Everest doesn't make them lazy or whatever talking points the no-lifer forums are putting out these days. No one sane should ever have to, much less want to, go through what many people in XI had to endure, especially during the early years.

The FATE system might not have been an ideal place to implement the Atma quest, but heaven knows an HNM system would have been far worse.

[zaviermhigo]

My thing is, I don't mind a grind for the relic. But some of the fate zones are just awful and increase the time period. Would of loved if the quest favored higher level fate zones. I understand the logic, get high level people in low level zones, their population will pop more fates for low level people who happen to be trying to level. But still, would of loved more higher level fate zones.

[Sove92]

Haven't even bothered with the grind, just not worth the frustration of dealing with a completely luck based mechanic combined with a boring game element. Thankfully Bravura upgrade is not worth it anyway, so I'll just wait for drop rate increase or a change to the mechanic, by the time it might actually be worth it. Why not worth it? Bravura's secondary stats and the accuracy requirements of 2nd coil.


*Sits back and enjoys the show of people running from FATE to FATE like maniacs.*

[Lafiele]

Lol, feels like game communities are so contradictive. They complain about not having enough to do then when there ARE things to do theyit's grindy. What's worst is that it seems these same people think that items that aren't obtainable within a couple of days is considered "grindy".

[XiaoliVorgan]

I've tried to get some atma for a few hours yesterday and today, haven't seen anything. Wasn't even sure if I was doing it right.

Relic check
Plus 1 check
Designated area check
gold win check

Nothing. I figured oh well, I give up for now because I can do other things but the reality is, those who want it, will have to bang it out right now while people are actually still doing them. Up until patch, fate grinding was pretty dead except for in spots like northern thanalan and coerthas. Places like east and south shroud would have like a whopping 10-15 people doing fates taking like 8-10 minutes per fate. Now there are people every where, smashing fates in 3-5 minutes like it was in the very beginning.

It's now or never.

[Lafiele]

Completely not true. Most fates can be completed solo (even boss fates only require a couple of people) and even before 2.2, fates were still done here and then. Sure it isn't zerged down within a few minutes of spawn but it is definitely far from your definition of "now or never". This is what i'm talking about, impatient people who exaggerate.

[Amberion]

to have a feeling of progression it's better than simply pray each time you finish a fate to be lucky.

You probably have just as many who prefer this to what you prefer.

[IndigoHawk]

I don't... just.. what?!
"Your chances of getting Atma after 3 FATEs and 3000 FATEs are the exact same."
Is this your understanding of statistics? So if you roll a dice a 1000 times you'll have the same chance of getting a 1(or whatever the number) as you would on just 2 rolls?... I don't even know what to say to this.

There's no progress because each time you try to get an Atma, you have the same chance of getting an Atma.

If you try 3000 tries, you have a better chance of getting what you because you are trying more often. But you're not making progress, because nothing you are doing is improving the chance of getting an Atma on the next try.

WoW had this problem years ago, and they fixed it. Every time you failed to get what you want, the odds you would get what you wanted next time improved. So if the drop was 1%, next time it would be 1.1%, then 1.2%, etc. There is progress even if you're unlucky.

[SluggySluggy]

That's just not how probability works. The exact same? Really?
Of course there's luck involved and I'd prefer a progress I can track as well. But that doesn't excuse making false statements/severe hyperbole.

Actually, it sort of is.

These are independent events. The probability of drop is unchanged by the number of FATEs someone has done. While we do EXPECT to see that a drop will occur over a sufficiently large sample--in statistics we could only predict this with about 95% accuracy. This means that inevitably someone will fall into those cracks. The chance to get the item is the same no matter if its your 1st or 3000th FATE, and while there is a reasonable expectation that you'd get the drop well before reaching 3,000--there is no such guarantee.

I'm willing to bet you that someone, somewhere, is going to do at least 5 times as many FATEs as you will have to in order to get their weapon. I spent 16 hours on my first drop.

[SluggySluggy]

I hate the grind but will do it because I like raiding, and there's potential for the progression of this weapon to later become important for that goal. I think THIS is really what has so many people's pannies in a bunch, is that there appears to be a lot of hullabaloo about these weapons and there's no guarantee they won't later be at the top of the BiS list in importance.

Yes, the content is "optional" (the whole game is optional!)--but there are other goals a person can have which render it fairly non-optional.

All of this other BS aside, I just don't like the idea that someone can work 1/24th as hard as I have to and get the same thing. At least with loot RNG there is some skill involved, because you must first clear the boss. You have to work for your loot.

Here it's just any old moron with a zenith can get it if they're willing to push 1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2 for enough hours.