FAQ: Zoadiac Weapons & You

[Vid]

The main one being about having the Zenith Weapon equipped. Is this stated explicitly in the Quest Dialogue (again, I can't check atm)? If not, is this just an assumption? Has anyone gotten one while not having the Zenith equipped?

So upon completion of the quest you will get a series of "System" messages that pop up directly after you talk to Jalzahn. They are as follows:

System: By participating in certain FATEs while equipped with a relic weapon zenith, you may obtain an atma crystal. The locations of the FATEs and the atma yielded are as follows:

Gives the whole list of Zones and the name of the Atma obtained from said zone.

System: This information can be reviewed in the completed journal for the quest “Up in Arms,” which can be found under “Side Story Quests.”

Word for word, if you want to confirm this you can pick up the quest yourself or go here: http://xivdb.com/?quest/66971/Up-in-Arms

Also, I have found no organized attempts at a true drop rate calculation and/or whether or not certain FATE's have better odds. At this point, for the above point and this one, all I've seen are speculation but no hard data.

Please don't take this the wrong way, you have definitely provided a lot of helpful information here and I don't mean to detract from that, however I believe these are some points we should confirm fully to debunk any myths out there.

The problem with your above method is the fact you would need almost everyone currently doing the quest to log their data of how long it took them to get their Atma, and from what series of Fates they got it from. Not to mention the level of the fate, if it had a previous Fate that lead up to it, or was spawned due to a "Failed" fate. The only thing anyone can tell you is that the drop rate is rare, and will take you some time to finish the whole quest.

The alternative would be having 1 person sit in 1 particular zone with a Zenith Weapon equipped, collecting multiples of the Atma that drop in that zone from fates, and collecting data from that. However I doubt anyone has the time or patience to take on this task, even if they had all classes with Zenith Weapons there's only so much fate grinding you can do before you go crazy.

From personal experience I haven't had much luck with the drop rate, my shortest wait time was roughly 2 hours, and so far my highest has been around 4 maybe 5. I can tell you though, my 3rd Atma I obtained was literally from a level 10 (maybe lower) fate in North Shroud that was close to Gridania. However North Shroud has a huge level range for the amount of fates it can hold, ranging from level 3 to 50. I currently only have 3 total Atma, so I'm no expert in the drop rates, just giving my experience.

I also completely agree, these are great points to get hard evidence on, just your second request is a lot harder to obtain information for.

[Clavaat]

The problem with your above method is the fact you would need almost everyone currently doing the quest to log their data of how long it took them to get their Atma, and from what series of Fates they got it from. Not to mention the level of the fate, if it had a previous Fate that lead up to it, or was spawned due to a "Failed" fate. The only thing anyone can tell you is that the drop rate is rare, and will take you some time to finish the whole quest.

Thank you for the response! I have the quest, but admittedly skipped a lot of the dialogue when I picked it up. Also, didn't think to check the DB haha

I completely understand there are a lot of variables here to consider, so it would be very difficult to pin down something like this. Personally, I don't have the time or patience to log something like this, and have never actually "farmed" Atmas. It is quite possible that yes, it is truly random. Which is not bad thing, imo. However, doing research on this kind of thing would be awesome. Players used to do things like this in FFXI for figuring out drop rates/spawn times/stat calculations etc.

[Vid]

I had someone tell me that after the weapon/shield is upgraded to Animus that the ilvl is still 100. Truth?

Makes sense, seeing as how the initial ilvl boost added no upgrade to stats, and the books are effectively putting the stats on the weapon that should have been there. Just want to make sure though.

All weapons when fully upgraded by the books will be Item Level 100. It is assumed that it will be upgradeable later through a patch that will put it at 110 (or maybe even 115), and the developers mentioned that you will be able to customize your weapon, but how this process will occur, or exactly how much you can customize is anyone's guess.

[Vid]

Which is not bad thing, imo. However, doing research on this kind of thing would be awesome. Players used to do things like this in FFXI for figuring out drop rates/spawn times/stat calculations etc.

My hat goes off to these people, they have a far better tolerance of grinding and calculating then I do. I personally could not do it, but since you CAN get multiples of the same Atma, I could see it possible for people to obtain the drop rate calculations through this by staying in one zone and just grinding until they obtained enough Atma to collect the data from. Well beyond my pay grade and/or time constraints.

[Teratel]

As I was reading, I ran across a mention that one poster never saw more than 1 person get an atma at the time, I can't find it now. I just thought I should mention that while I was in a party, 2 of us got an atma at the same time. I have heard people ask in game a lot if this is possible and I just wanted to mention here that it is. Thanks for taking the time to put together this information.

[Errors]

I wonder if it's:
Each FATE has a X percent to drop Y amounts of Atma and each participate that completes with gold rating has Z percent chance to get it (you have a lower percentage of winning a Atma the more people who participate).

Or is it:
The player has X percent to get a Atma from a FATE.

I'm always curious how they implement the loot pools in games.

[Vid]

As I was reading, I ran across a mention that one poster never saw more than 1 person get an atma at the time, I can't find it now. I just thought I should mention that while I was in a party, 2 of us got an atma at the same time. I have heard people ask in game a lot if this is possible and I just wanted to mention here that it is. Thanks for taking the time to put together this information.

Ty for this, I know a lot of people were wondering about this both in this forum and from the various people I've talked to in game.

[Wicc]

Wait... I was told that you couldn't get all the books until they started releasing newer content down the road. Can you currently obtain all the books to get the animus?

[Vid]

Wait... I was told that you couldn't get all the books until they started releasing newer content down the road. Can you currently obtain all the books to get the animus?

Yes, once you obtain the 12 Atma you go turn them in, and he will give you the base weapon back upgraded to item level 100, and shiney new colors, however no stats will be upgraded at all. You then go through the 9 books to upgrade each stat individually until you cap out for that particular stat. Such as getting +2 Int per book until its capped out. So it may take you 3 total books to get all the Int you need to cap out (this is just an example I don't have exact numbers).

It was said by the developers that later on you will be able to upgrade it even further, more then likely to ilvl 110, and be able to customize your stats. However they have not given information as to how we will do this, or exactly how much of each stat you can in fact customize.

[Wicc]

Yes, once you obtain the 12 Atma you go turn them in, and he will give you the base weapon back upgraded to item level 100, and shiney new colors, however no stats will be upgraded at all. You then go through the 9 books to upgrade each stat individually until you cap out for that particular stat. Such as getting +2 Int per book until its capped out. So it may take you 3 total books to get all the Int you need to cap out (this is just an example I don't have exact numbers).

It was said by the developers that later on you will be able to upgrade it even further, more then likely to ilvl 110, and be able to customize your stats. However they have not given information as to how we will do this, or exactly how much of each stat you can in fact customize.

This makes perfect sense. Can you follow me around and be my personal FFXIVpedia? :]