FAQ: Zoadiac Weapons & You

[Clavaat]

Really helpful post.

I don't have access to the game atm, so I can't check, however I can't help but wonder about certain details explained here.

The main one being about having the Zenith Weapon equipped. Is this stated explicitly in the Quest Dialogue (again, I can't check atm)? If not, is this just an assumption? Has anyone gotten one while not having the Zenith equipped? I understand, at this point it's a "better safe than sorry" kind of thing, but until full experiments/testing have been done I'm skeptical of things. One of the main reasons I would really consider this is the point you made about not needing the shield equipped on PLD. It could just be coincidence, I understand that, but would be curious to see more hard evidence.

Also, I have found no organized attempts at a true drop rate calculation and/or whether or not certain FATE's have better odds. At this point, for the above point and this one, all I've seen are speculation but no hard data.

Please don't take this the wrong way, you have definitely provided a lot of helpful information here and I don't mean to detract from that, however I believe these are some points we should confirm fully to debunk any myths out there.

[Vid]

The main one being about having the Zenith Weapon equipped. Is this stated explicitly in the Quest Dialogue (again, I can't check atm)? If not, is this just an assumption? Has anyone gotten one while not having the Zenith equipped?

So upon completion of the quest you will get a series of "System" messages that pop up directly after you talk to Jalzahn. They are as follows:

System: By participating in certain FATEs while equipped with a relic weapon zenith, you may obtain an atma crystal. The locations of the FATEs and the atma yielded are as follows:

Gives the whole list of Zones and the name of the Atma obtained from said zone.

System: This information can be reviewed in the completed journal for the quest “Up in Arms,” which can be found under “Side Story Quests.”

Word for word, if you want to confirm this you can pick up the quest yourself or go here: http://xivdb.com/?quest/66971/Up-in-Arms

Also, I have found no organized attempts at a true drop rate calculation and/or whether or not certain FATE's have better odds. At this point, for the above point and this one, all I've seen are speculation but no hard data.

Please don't take this the wrong way, you have definitely provided a lot of helpful information here and I don't mean to detract from that, however I believe these are some points we should confirm fully to debunk any myths out there.

The problem with your above method is the fact you would need almost everyone currently doing the quest to log their data of how long it took them to get their Atma, and from what series of Fates they got it from. Not to mention the level of the fate, if it had a previous Fate that lead up to it, or was spawned due to a "Failed" fate. The only thing anyone can tell you is that the drop rate is rare, and will take you some time to finish the whole quest.

The alternative would be having 1 person sit in 1 particular zone with a Zenith Weapon equipped, collecting multiples of the Atma that drop in that zone from fates, and collecting data from that. However I doubt anyone has the time or patience to take on this task, even if they had all classes with Zenith Weapons there's only so much fate grinding you can do before you go crazy.

From personal experience I haven't had much luck with the drop rate, my shortest wait time was roughly 2 hours, and so far my highest has been around 4 maybe 5. I can tell you though, my 3rd Atma I obtained was literally from a level 10 (maybe lower) fate in North Shroud that was close to Gridania. However North Shroud has a huge level range for the amount of fates it can hold, ranging from level 3 to 50. I currently only have 3 total Atma, so I'm no expert in the drop rates, just giving my experience.

I also completely agree, these are great points to get hard evidence on, just your second request is a lot harder to obtain information for.

[Clavaat]

The problem with your above method is the fact you would need almost everyone currently doing the quest to log their data of how long it took them to get their Atma, and from what series of Fates they got it from. Not to mention the level of the fate, if it had a previous Fate that lead up to it, or was spawned due to a "Failed" fate. The only thing anyone can tell you is that the drop rate is rare, and will take you some time to finish the whole quest.

Thank you for the response! I have the quest, but admittedly skipped a lot of the dialogue when I picked it up. Also, didn't think to check the DB haha

I completely understand there are a lot of variables here to consider, so it would be very difficult to pin down something like this. Personally, I don't have the time or patience to log something like this, and have never actually "farmed" Atmas. It is quite possible that yes, it is truly random. Which is not bad thing, imo. However, doing research on this kind of thing would be awesome. Players used to do things like this in FFXI for figuring out drop rates/spawn times/stat calculations etc.

[Vid]

Which is not bad thing, imo. However, doing research on this kind of thing would be awesome. Players used to do things like this in FFXI for figuring out drop rates/spawn times/stat calculations etc.

My hat goes off to these people, they have a far better tolerance of grinding and calculating then I do. I personally could not do it, but since you CAN get multiples of the same Atma, I could see it possible for people to obtain the drop rate calculations through this by staying in one zone and just grinding until they obtained enough Atma to collect the data from. Well beyond my pay grade and/or time constraints.