So what's expert about the "expert dungeons"?

[ceiimq]

After running the three new dungeons, it seems to me like their difficulty is on par with or easier than Haukke and Copperbell HM, definitely easier than Pharos Sirius even with the new nerfs.

I'm not complaining about that part as such, they're very fun to play ('cept for Brayflox maybe, that one's a little boring). But since the 2.1 dungeons are in the same ballpark couldn't we get the same rewards from them as well? Would make for a wider variety of stuff to grind.

[Sove92]

And your gear level is how much above requirements? If you were in partial DL, just close to i70, Amdapor Town would be significantly harder to complete and the DPS race on Diabolos would be a much closer call.

[Sunarie]

And your gear level is how much above requirements? If you were in partial DL, just close to i70, Amdapor Town would be significantly harder to complete and the DPS race on Diabolos would be a much closer call.

Probably hit the nail on the head. These new dungeons should be tuned for people below ilvl 70, who still need their DL stuff (as that's what drops). Running through them with some FC mates was a cinch, but we're also full ilvl 90.. so any mistakes we made could almost always be healed through while we fumbled through mechanics. I can definitely see them being harder pre-darklight gear.

[Mychael]

Probably hit the nail on the head. These new dungeons should be tuned for people below ilvl 70, who still need their DL stuff (as that's what drops). Running through them with some FC mates was a cinch, but we're also full ilvl 90.. so any mistakes we made could almost always be healed through while we fumbled through mechanics. I can definitely see them being harder pre-darklight gear.

^QFT. But, I actually think the topic still holds a valid question in why we're calling these "Expert" dungeons. :P

[MurakumoMillennium]

And your gear level is how much above requirements? If you were in partial DL, just close to i70, Amdapor Town would be significantly harder to complete and the DPS race on Diabolos would be a much closer call.

Did Halatali with a group in mostly mixmatched AF + DL, and it was still super easy.

Also what dps race on Diabolos? If you mean before his ultimate kills you... don't let it? Do the mechanics properly instead of trying to brute force your way through them.

[Sove92]

Also what dps race on Diabolos? If you mean before his ultimate kills you... don't let it? Do the mechanics properly instead of trying to brute force your way through them.

There are 4 pairs of doors and when you use one, it's gone for the rest of the battle. If you don't have the dps to defeat Diabolos before he uses his ultimate the fifth time, you are gonna wipe, there are no more doors left to use.

[Nayto]

Your an expert bomb defusal/coliseum fighter/voidsent exorcist.

[Nutz]

I think it's just because they decided to do the rewards in definite tiers so people going for soldiery can use that roulette. They definitely don't seem to be tuned all the same or specifically harder than 2.1's dungeons though. Brayflox in particular was extremely easy. I did all of the dungeons with randoms and Brayflox was the only one without any wipes (without knowing mechanics going in).

If anything I might have expected them to put heavy myth rewards in the 2.1 dungeons so they could serve that purpose. As it is now, I don't see any reason to ever redo, except perhaps for the myth reward from roulette.

[LalaRu]

I think someone geared in its full i90 cannot talk about difficulty of the new dungeons. If the OP want challenges, he just have to gear in its old i55 gear and have fun trying to clear them.

[Hysterior]

they are indeed not hard
especially Halatali, as a healer I am struggling to not fall asleep