Add iLvl to "Examine"

[Rowyne]

No, it was always at that level.

I beg to differ. After Gearscore came along back in Wrath of the Lich King, I ran The Nexus with a group in the dungeon finder. One person in the party threw a fit because someone's gearscore wasn't high enough for his liking. I can't remember what the numbers were like back then, but he wanted everyone to have a score that was on par with Ulduar/Trial of the Champion raiding gear, which was absurd for the low level of difficulty of the dungeon. He initiated a vote-kick, which was rejected, so he spent the entire run griping. We got through the dungeon just fine and there was no reason for the drama.

For those who didn't play WoW, that's like trying to kick someone from The Wanderer's Palace for not being i90.

I never saw that kind of jackassery before Gearscore. Please, we don't need to encourage that kind of elitism in ARR.

[Sylve]

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I agree with you 100%, Gearscore was half the reason i stopped playing WoW to start with. Got so sick of being told even back in WOTLK that my Disc Priest was undergeared for the LK(normal 10) fight, yet i was sporting the title AND weapon from killing him.

@The OP, if they're in the dungeon with you, they're of the right ilvl to be there, So the only thing preventing you from clearing any given content with them is knowledge of the fight and/or player skill. You don't need to know their exact average ilvl.

[Astralos]

...and if I really want to dig down it isn't hard to add a few numbers and divide by the number of slots. It's not unreasonable for us to want to be able to get someones iLv at a glance with the glamour system in place.

If it's not hard, why are you asking them to implement something that always does the math for you? Do it yourself.

[ignacioricci]

The team refrained from making another player's average ilvl visible upon examination to avoid players making party setup decisions based exclusively on the average ilvls of their teammates.

This statement makes no sense whatsoever when the game has a party finder with item level. The "discrimination" occurs on the party finder, not on the examination. No one ever makes a party by examining another player.

[Lego3400]

This statement makes no sense whatsoever when the game has a party finder with item level. The "discrimination" occurs on the party finder, not on the examination. No one ever makes a party by examining another player.

You've never tried to join a manually formed party lead by eliteists have you?

[ignacioricci]

No, but anyway:

What is really the trade-off? Instead of spending 1 sec viewing the item level, spend 10 checking every piece?
Want it or not, if you can see all the pieces, you can know the item level.
So, the feature per-se is not adding any new information, is just less time consuming.

That's why it makes no sense to me.

[Darske]

The trade-off isn't so much about the fact that it's faster so much as it is about player attitude. Take groups for Coil, for example. There are groups for T1 that can, with effort and skill, conquer Cad at i70, and there are groups that demand that you be at i80 before you even try T1.

It's not so bad now since it's just limited to PF requirements, but picture what the super-elitist parties will start doing if everybody's ilvl was immediately examinable. You could queue up for AK, and get booted in the first few minutes because your gear "wasn't good enough for the group", regardless of whether or not this has any factual basis rooted in your actual performance.

[Wobble]

Go on the lodestone if it's that important for you to see someone's ilevel.

[PixelPirate]

I can't count the number of times when an "under-geared" group of smart people cleared a daunting fight/dungeon.

I also can't count the number of times when groups of elitist i90's timed out or abandoned the same exact content. Item level glory can't turn dumb people into smart people.

Therefore, I vote "nay" on the proposal of making it easier to see a pointless number that has next to nothing to do with actually succeeding. It will only make it easier for dumb people to blame individuals for the failures of the group, or to discriminate others without cause.

[Shinebox]

I'm sorry but thats a really poor example you made there, seeing his ilvl is irrelevent if he is using another classes gear to get into the party. I THINK the feature you actually are suggesting here is that if your ilvl changes while in a party with a minimum ilvl requirement if you now fall below it your removed for the party.

How is it a poor example? If the leader and entire party examined him after he joined he would have been asked to leave instead of losing due to low DPS (because he lied about his real ilvl). If the ilvl displayed he wouldn't have joined the party because he knows his ilvl would be displayed once he switched back into his normal gear.

The entire party isn't going to sit there with calculators to determine if the item level joined under is correct. If there was a system feature where party kicked him that would be worse as players would try to get around it using accessories not intended for their job.

Why is ilvl important? It increases your room for error especially in situations like pick up groups. Sure you can do coil in ilvl73 but it doesn't mean you have to.


"The team refrained from making another player's average ilvl visible upon examination to avoid players making party setup decisions based exclusively on the average ilvls of their teammates."

Then why bother putting it in party finder as an option?