Add iLvl to "Examine"

[Shinebox]

I'm sorry but thats a really poor example you made there, seeing his ilvl is irrelevent if he is using another classes gear to get into the party. I THINK the feature you actually are suggesting here is that if your ilvl changes while in a party with a minimum ilvl requirement if you now fall below it your removed for the party.

How is it a poor example? If the leader and entire party examined him after he joined he would have been asked to leave instead of losing due to low DPS (because he lied about his real ilvl). If the ilvl displayed he wouldn't have joined the party because he knows his ilvl would be displayed once he switched back into his normal gear.

The entire party isn't going to sit there with calculators to determine if the item level joined under is correct. If there was a system feature where party kicked him that would be worse as players would try to get around it using accessories not intended for their job.

Why is ilvl important? It increases your room for error especially in situations like pick up groups. Sure you can do coil in ilvl73 but it doesn't mean you have to.


"The team refrained from making another player's average ilvl visible upon examination to avoid players making party setup decisions based exclusively on the average ilvls of their teammates."

Then why bother putting it in party finder as an option?

[XNihili]

Yeah, we should add iLvl to examine but it is not enough, we should also have stats available too so we can kick those Lalafell melee DPS because they didn't min-max their job ... oh wait, I'm a Lalafell, scratch that ...

[Harmonium]

Maybe not all the stat for prevent the "you don't good stat etc" but maybe only the accuracy, and maybe the ilvl, but i don't realy care about the ilvl, the thing who is important for me is realy the accuracy, and i meet lot of people who come in party with a stuff like this exemple.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/M28C

And i would prefer so much a guys like this :

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/M28D

Accuracy > Ilvl

You can be a big damage dealer, this is nice, but what if you don't hit anything ? You are a dps who don't dps, so you don't do the job you are suposed to do

[Martin_Arcainess]

Your item lv can neet the requirements but it means nothing if that person equips acr not suited to there class like this bard i met in garuda ex, had ilv 55~60 main gear but to make uo for the ilv she equpied ilv80-90 tank gear.......

[alhandra]

i cheat to get past arbitrary or stupidly high ilvl reqs all the time, its not that hard to equip some accessories from another class and then just revert to your reg equip after you get in. i have yet to have a group question me even once, you know why? because skill trumps gear... do what you gotta do and make things happen.

[Darske]

The trade-off isn't so much about the fact that it's faster so much as it is about player attitude. Take groups for Coil, for example. There are groups for T1 that can, with effort and skill, conquer Cad at i70, and there are groups that demand that you be at i80 before you even try T1.

It's not so bad now since it's just limited to PF requirements, but picture what the super-elitist parties will start doing if everybody's ilvl was immediately examinable. You could queue up for AK, and get booted in the first few minutes because your gear "wasn't good enough for the group", regardless of whether or not this has any factual basis rooted in your actual performance.

[Wobble]

Go on the lodestone if it's that important for you to see someone's ilevel.

[PixelPirate]

I can't count the number of times when an "under-geared" group of smart people cleared a daunting fight/dungeon.

I also can't count the number of times when groups of elitist i90's timed out or abandoned the same exact content. Item level glory can't turn dumb people into smart people.

Therefore, I vote "nay" on the proposal of making it easier to see a pointless number that has next to nothing to do with actually succeeding. It will only make it easier for dumb people to blame individuals for the failures of the group, or to discriminate others without cause.

[Nicobo]

IMO adding iLV will just be less calculation and prevent mis-calculation by others.