Add iLvl to "Examine"

[Thundaja]

The team refrained from making another player's average ilvl visible upon examination to avoid players making party setup decisions based exclusively on the average ilvls of their teammates.

Thank you! Glad to see the team is with the majority.

[Tiggy]

The team refrained from making another player's average ilvl visible upon examination to avoid players making party setup decisions based exclusively on the average ilvls of their teammates.

Do they honestly think this is preventing people from doing that anyway? There are both good and bad reasons to have this ability. The problem is the bad reasons can be done with or without this pasted on the screen. A cursory glance at a characters screen can already let you know how poor or good their gear is and if I really want to dig down it isn't hard to add a few numbers and divide by the number of slots. It's not unreasonable for us to want to be able to get someones iLv at a glance with the glamour system in place.

[Astralos]

...and if I really want to dig down it isn't hard to add a few numbers and divide by the number of slots. It's not unreasonable for us to want to be able to get someones iLv at a glance with the glamour system in place.

If it's not hard, why are you asking them to implement something that always does the math for you? Do it yourself.

[Zirael_Foxfire]

The team refrained from making another player's average ilvl visible upon examination to avoid players making party setup decisions based exclusively on the average ilvls of their teammates.

Now, that's just paranoid. Who ever said people want to make setup decisions exclusively based on iLv? Can you quote such a post?
Secondly, why add iLv requirement checkbox to Party Finder recruitment optios then? Yuo're being inconsistent. And paranoid.
Besides, as long as we can see other player's items, we can calculate their iLv easily, with or without a calculator.
Whatever you were afraid of by witholding this quality of life improvement, has already happened. Or not.

[Auron_Wolf]

The team refrained from making another player's average ilvl visible upon examination to avoid players making party setup decisions based exclusively on the average ilvls of their teammates.

That is a smart decision from the team to avoid harassment of "real paranoid people" than go as far to calculate ilvls manually or immediately check the character profile at the loadstone to see if people are playing to their "standars", long story make short,see ilvl of other players is not needed and is not going to happen.

You can see already ridiculous PF requirements like ilvl90 for coil 1 to release more tools than foment toxic behavior.

[Tupsi]

Now, that's just paranoid. Who ever said people want to make setup decisions exclusively based on iLv?

Anyone who's first MMORPG isn't FFXIV ARR?

I would like to ask, let us see the stat, this is so boring to spy people via the lodestone.

A Blm come in my party, i ask him if he had enough accuracy, he tell me yes, i go on the lodestone and i see he don't have at all ! So i kick him, what would happen if i let him come in floor 4 of bahamuth ? He will miss every spell and his dps would be very bad. :/ Would be better to already put a accuracy check on party finder. You can cheat the ilvl so easy @ring etc ilvl 90 and when you are in the party or something this is ok, you are in, you are useless for sure, but you don't care :/ Something sould be done about that.

You do know the lodestone doesn't update in real time, right? This is exactly why they won't show it on examine - People who do exactly this.

[Legionius]

Anyone who's first MMORPG isn't FFXIV ARR?




You do know the lodestone doesn't update in real time, right? This is exactly why they won't show it on examine - People who do exactly this.

People don't understand the concept of mitigation for some odd reason. Everything is expressed in extremes and lacking context.

As a new 50 I get hassled all the time in petty dungeons I am well over the requirements of and have easily beaten with even less gear.

Making it easier for people to be idiotic and even more demanding doesn't sound like a winning strategy. Having played several MMOs, I'd rather have an arbitrary hurdle to mitigate this behavior than nothing.

[ufufu]

The team refrained from making another player's average ilvl visible upon examination to avoid players making party setup decisions based exclusively on the average ilvls of their teammates.

This seems like an arbitrary decision to me. Considering you can already set iLvl requirements for party finder groups, it seems really silly to stop people from being able to check others' iLvls at a glance.

[JonFarron]

The team refrained from making another player's average ilvl visible upon examination to avoid players making party setup decisions based exclusively on the average ilvls of their teammates.

Because Party Finder doesn't already do this, right?

[Zourin]

The team refrained from making another player's average ilvl visible upon examination to avoid players making party setup decisions based exclusively on the average ilvls of their teammates.

Which happens already. PF's that allow arbitrary ilvl requirements, FC's that won't let someone in on Coil unless they meet certain requirements in excess of dungeon requirements. Even without a specific iLvl listed, even a quick examine can allow someone to gauge pecking order. Guess what happens when someone spots an i70 belt? Noob-boot! Go farm Myth.

Lets forget that there are actually iLvl requirements for going into a dungeon, but being held out of Turn 1 until you're 10 levels over the entry requirements is shifty no matter how you look at it. That is assuming, of course, that the 'team' didn't set the entry requirements to a threshold where a party of minimum iLvl can't complete the dungeon. Now that would be shifty.