whoa... haha

[Ghasto]

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These could have been new, unique boss FATEs, each of its own zodiac sign, that actually would have been fine, the fact that we're running level 5 FATEs for our i90 weapons in March 2014 is what pisses me off about this, we've already done this shit enough to get sick of it.
It makes absolutely no sense as to why these Atma's can be gotten from any FATE in the zone either from a story perspective, it's just a terribly lazy way to keep people "busy" (spamming flash/other aoe and tabbing out).

[Sunarie]

snip cause character limit

I would actually prefer running dungeons to Fate grinds. I would prefer killing x number of mobs to Fate grinds. The Fates may not be so bad if it wasn't the same exact ones we've been doing for ages. Heck I would even prefer something that said "do this Fate x number of times" if we -have- to do the same old Fates. I am not saying there can't be a grind, or I don't want a grind. I am saying I don't want to grind Fates endlessly with no real end in sight. Yes, I would rather grind dungeons than Fates. I would rather grind something that takes a coordinated group effort so players actually have to group up and converse. I am actually completely and totally find with everything after the Fate RNG that I've seen so far. There is some medium to be had where things are not so difficult that less skilled players can't complete them, and something where you literally don't have to pay attention at all to what you're doing beyond running to a generalized area and spamming one button.

[Gramul]

Pretty sure these aren't the same people.
The content tend to be more quiet than the upset.

That aside, I'm pleased with this direction as I've never really disliked FATES.

[Radxen]

I'm with Gramul on that one, I actually enjoy FATEs, it's how I managed to level most of my classes since I got tired of waiting on instances.

And I find the new content awesome, I did complain about certain things before but it feels like SE really listened on this one. The rare and powerful weapons and armor are really starting to feel rare and powerful, where before it everyone and their mother was able to get these powerful items with close to no effort.

I'm not really a big fan of the retainer ventures but since I'm not forced to use them I'm alright.

[Estellios]

I don't mind this since my FC members and I can do this part at our own pace. I'm personally running whatever FATEs I run across while gathering from the new nodes or doing the new beastmen quests. Was kinda surprised since I thought at least one person would have really hated it. I guess it just works better when you are ok with doing stuff in moderation. We have a ton of stuff to do with this patch, anyway. That said I wouldn't mind if they changed it to be a set amount instead of random.

I'm not really a big fan of the retainer ventures but since I'm not forced to use them I'm alright.

Hey man, if they can get shards while I'm off doing stuff then it gets a thumbs up in my book =P

[Delorean]

b) bitch content is too much of a grind even though same peeps complained everything is too simple and just handed away before.

You must be mistaken, I don't recall anyone asking for a 2% droprate on enough fate grinding to level another class.

If anything, this is a lot more simple than memorizing boss attack patterns.

where before it everyone and their mother was able to get these powerful items with close to no effort.

I'm not sure that I could recognize something I could do while watching a movie or a sports game as something that requires a lot of effort.

in a FATE you can literally just hit 1111111111111 until you win.

[Zwipe]

For $15.00 a month, everyone pretty much expects their own personal development team.

[Ghasto]

Don't even try to excuse the forced grinding of ancient FATEs, it is abysmal game design.

[Ruenis]

Don't even try to excuse the forced grinding of ancient FATEs, it is abysmal game design.

What if some try ? what will you do ?

[jlewiss]

I don't mind it really. I don't know why everyone is complaining about this though as if they have the extra 13.5k myth sitting around to upgrade it, it's almost as if they aren't aware that the unupgraded version is merely an ilvl boost and no real stat gain.