Thread: 'Up in Arms' - Atma - The new Hamlet 2.0 Time Sync

Remember 2.1 that also had a quests tied to FATEs? Square didn't learn.

Originally Posted by Chronos

Remember that right now...the relic is the WORST out of the new weapons. It's there as an achievement right now. If you want a real weapon just do what you did in 2.0. save your tomes and buy one and then clear t9 and get the next one.

The new relics are there for people who LIKE those long term "yay look what i did" types of things

If you don't want the new relic there 2 other i100 weapons you can go for. =)

I think people are doing the relic because it will be constantly updated. Each patch there is supposed to be an upgrade and they are supposed to become customisable.

This has completely ruined the game for me. I wouldn't mind if the quest said do 500 fates in each zone but the mindless grinding of low lvl shit with no idea of progression is totally dull and boring.

It really has turned this game into an early 00's grinder. What the hell are you thinking? Please either up the drop rates, or tie them to hard bosses like you did with Titan, Garuda and Ifrit. It's supposed to be a challenge based on skill, not a challenge of your patience because of luck!

Honestly, I do not blame people for quitting over this. A lot of people in my FC are considering it and I am, also. This needs to be changed, Square.

My Two Cents:

1. Let’s say I’m a player with 5hrs of game time every day (a fair amount!). During this time I have to decide to dungeon, craft or level up a class...or I can dedicate it entirely to grinding for ATMA. If I’m lucky, I’ll get one every 5hrs. That means it’s going to take me roughly two weeks to earn enough ATMA for my relic (assuming I decide to dedicate my entire game time to this). That doesn't sound too bad, considering that the previous relic took 900 myth or...roughly about two weeks (900/450 cap). There is however one major difference between these two approaches.

a. Getting 900 myth involved doing one of 8 dungeons, CT, 6 different trial modes (EX/HM), Thorn or Coil. The variety kept it fresh, exciting and fun. Not to mention that there was pre-programmed downtime between each task (Queue Time) that you could use to craft, grab a soda or do some event quests. With FATE grinding, all you can do is FATE grind.

b. Getting the first relic also took roughly two weeks because the Duty Finder gods aren’t always kind to those trying to do Titan HM. But it got your adrenaline pumping EVERY TIME you got within 15% of Titan’s death. Not to mention that once you defeat just ONE Hard Mode Primal you were instantly filled with a euphoria of awesomeness. Truly you have achieved greatness and nothing could beat you. With FATE grinding, you’ll be hard pressed to stay awake.

2. I know it can be easy for SE to find this a hypocritical point of view. I mean, who HASN’T FATE grinded to get –insert nontank/healer class here- to 50. Right? I know I did. Here’s the difference though:

a. FATE grinding to level up offered me a certain amount of progression with every monster I fell, with each FATE I completed. There was a definitive, mathematical end to it all. There was no randomness about when you were going to reach 50. It’s this measured amount of progression that kept me motivated. I saw the fruits of my labor with every passing minute. Hey! Just levled up! I got BANE NOW! Woo hooo!

b. FATE grinding for EXP was only one of the multiple methods you could use to get to 50. There were levequests, supply missions, dungeons, guildhests, etc. In this relic quest, you haven’t a choice. There is only one method.

At the end of the day, this version of getting a new relic weapon compared to the previous two methods comes off as an afterthought. It feels like you realized you had made the current relic weapons obsolete with the release of higher level dungeon (or primal) weapons too late to do something creative about it. Giving your players this disappointing experience.

Thank you for reading my letter.

-Iceshiver

FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE...Atma? NOPE! FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE FATE...Atma? NOPE!!! Screw this im out!