If I wipe for 30 minutes in DF and then drop group

[ispano]

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Some people, yes. Others? Not so much. Like today on Halatali Hard, I asked people to step into the Mammet's Blue Circle to get the Manaward buff. Every single time, healer and bard didn't get in and died.

If the vote abandon does not pass... it means that all three of the other group members are committed to trying to complete. Majority rules. suffer the consequences!

Yeah, suffer constant wipes on the first boss because there are a good deal of people who won't learn.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be a timer or anything of the sort, but reality is that not all people are willing to learn, much less be accepting of being given said teaching in the first place. Case by case basis honestly.