Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[SublimeIbanez]

Don't misunderstand, I get what you're saying. It certainly wouldn't work well with spell use and I can't say that FATE grinding for a chance at 1 item 12 times is tons of fun. In reality I don't care for FATEs but I was happy that they added this grind. I hope they bring in more grinds but less FATE-related ones. What it comes down to really is that some people will enjoy certain things and others will despise them. SE can't please everyone.

I'm not misunderstanding lol, I'm not even saying grinding is bad. I started mmo's as a kid playing runescape, that game is pure grind. I love grind, no matter how dull/boring it can be. I'd just rather it be a fair system that rewards everybody equally for their effort put in rather than base it off of luck. I think we're both agreeing in different ways. I love grinding and want to see a bit more of it, but make it at least rewarding.

[Vahlnir]

I'm not misunderstanding lol, I'm not even saying grinding is bad. I started mmo's as a kid playing runescape, that game is pure grind. I love grind, no matter how dull/boring it can be. I'd just rather it be a fair system that rewards everybody equally for their effort put in rather than base it off of luck. I think we're both agreeing in different ways. I love grinding and want to see a bit more of it, but make it at least rewarding.

Yeah...I suppose we are in a way. I just think that they tried something different (to this game anyway) and some people like what they did, others not so much. The MMO community is really difficult to read. I agree that it should be done differently and the feedback SE has received probably shows that. I'm ok with how they went about it this patch but I'm also fine with them not doing it the same way again...well, at least as far as the first half of the quest is concerned. :P

[SublimeIbanez]

You misunderstand. The quest isn't over when you get your 12 atma (in fact, the weapon is exactly the same as the zenith, barring the name). There is still the 13500 myth required (keep in mind that that the hard cap is 2000 myth, so you can't stock up prior) and the independent requirement for each book that you purchase. Even if you make it past the 12 atma phase, only the dedicated will get all of the myth required to make a full weapon.

And that second half is what I wanted in a grind. Something that has progression that will take time. Something I can see myself completing ever so slowly, not the first part where everything is literally based on luck. And by luck, an FC member got all 12 in 4 hours today for his first day grinding.

[Calyanare]

You misunderstand. The quest isn't over when you get your 12 atma (in fact, the weapon is exactly the same as the zenith, barring the name). There is still the 13500 myth required (keep in mind that that the hard cap is 2000 myth, so you can't stock up prior) and the independent requirement for each book that you purchase. Even if you make it past the 12 atma phase, only the dedicated will get all of the myth required to make a full weapon.

Actually I'm well aware of that. I actually look forward to that part, if I ever get there (32 hours, 4/12) because it's something I know I can make progress on anytime I want rather than just grinding and praying.

Grinding myth 1500 at a time doesn't require "dedication". It doesn't even require any extra work beyond what you already do to cap soldiery, unless you want to complete it faster. It's not difficult, and is much less tedious than the idiotic FATE grinding (still a bit tedious, but at least I have the use of more than 3 skills). I am okay with stuff taking a long time, as long as there's a goal in sight and progress can be made incrementally whenever I choose to do so. I am not okay with my effort not being rewarded, or with lucky people being able to complete the same task with orders of magnitude less effort.

The only thing about the books that I worry about is the FATEs portion. The longer it takes me to get my Atma, the fewer people will still be grinding for theirs, and the harder it will be to get the rare FATEs that the book requires to pop.

[Roris]

Yeah the books themselves have a couple of time consuming quirks with lots of downtime in between progression starting from the 1500 myth per each book, then there's also stuff like having to kill 10 mobs of a type but there are only 3 of them in the entire area and they have longish respawn times, FATEs that take their sweet time to spawn, leves you have to cycle until the one you need pops up and then it turns out it's listed under GC leves, waiting for dungeon queues, even silly stuff like Fogfens being marked twice on the map. At least you're 100% guaranteed to make progress once you complete an objective though so that's good, it's just silly how they gated a time consuming quest under an even more time consuming RNG gate.

[Eight]

It would be kind of nice if they gave out myth tomes for doing fates. Even if its a small number like 1-2 per fate or on random fates it would be a nice added bonus. Dungeons and current speed runs would obviously be a much faster method of getting them but at least earning a few so that when you do gather the Atma pieces you have a nice little bit of myth to put towards your first book.

[Massterchef]

The book completions are already enough of a time sink without the 1500 myth requirement. Grinding the same few instances hundreds of times are what raiders,non-raiders,casuals, you name it, hate about mmos.

[Blissa]

SE GRINDING FOR 8HRS FOR 1 ATMA IS NOT MY IDEA OF FUN!

[HumsterMKX]

SE GRINDING FOR 8HRS FOR 1 ATMA IS NOT MY IDEA OF FUN!

You just got tagged for White Knight flaming. Run for your life.

Alternatively you can sell your soul to get everything you need.

[Fynlar]

So, after 9 days, I finally got all 12 pieces of Atma.

That was not fun in the slightest, when that last piece was dropped, I was on the verge of tears due to immense relief, I feel absolutely no satisfaction over this.

There's no satisfaction to be had because you don't even get rewarded from accomplishing the atma step. All you earn is the ABILITY to actually start making your weapon better.

It's like trying to complete your dissertation but so far all you've done is gathered your sources together. You still have to actually write up the damn thing.