Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[Mitternacht]

So that's like saying vendor trash = fate drops (like sinews and dodo feathers), gold = gil + seals, and something amazing = atmas. Thank you for proving my point there. When I fate grind, things happpen too, lol.

They have nothing to do with Atma. All those things would happen whether you had the quest or not and none of them happen with the frequency of the loot systems of the games you mentioned. Nevermind the fact that you can affect drop rates in those games via difficulty settings and grouping or that Reaper of Souls dramatically moved away from throwing streams of useless junk at the player.

Then don't do it. Literally the simplest answer that no one ever wants to hear. If you can get a weapon that is better WHY DO YOU CARE??

Personally, I am not touching it. However in terms of an alternate progression path it is incredibly poor game design.

[ArcFinix]

Literally every single person complaining about atmas falls into at least one of 3 categories. 1) Grinding needs a set goal no matter how high it is (which I'm sure if the system was that way they'd complain about that too). 2) This is the be all, end all weapon and I want it. 3) I don't have the time for this, or the group for Levi/Coil. I will address each of these.

1) Top down action RPGs like Diablo and Path of Exile, by this argument, should be the least popular games ever and not sell at all. Top tier loot is based entirely on RNG, and that's all the game has. No other progression options. But these are some of the most popular RPGs today.

2) Allagan will always be slightly better or equal to Relic. Invest your time into coil (btw, c2 turns 1 and 2 can be done in i90, fyi) and get that. Might take the same amount of time to get an i115 weapon as it does fate grinding, and its better. Which leads to......

1) those are action RPG, u are smashing and killing with a few buttons and maybe avoid some aoes... of course with lots of loots with a chance of best gear or better gear.. this is fate farming that.. u do nothing but spam 1 button and spam another 1 button maybe..

2) some ppl are collector or just wanna have a personal achievement.. yes allagan is better so what? levi weapon is better so what? they just want to get everything for show? don't need to teach ppl how they want to progress..

3) i don't have time to play a grind game that is unfair.. but i have time to enjoy a mmo.. time is not yours to decide..

[PLD_Danny1989]

And continued...

Now, I understand that the devs want FATEs to be played, thats fine by me, so long as they are meaningful and add something special. Remember when Lightning would show up at certain times during the marketing for Lightning Returns? What about when Shantotto somehow managed to cross over into Eorzea and be compared on a threat level to the Calamity, or the time when Golems from Dragon Quest popped in. Those were great fun in my opinion (I'm not sure what everyones feelings are on those FATEs though).

It would've been neat if the FATEs that dropped these Atma were changed in someway, lets say, a Voidsent suddenly appeared in place of those Raptors in the Central Shroud, or if Odin showed up in Thanalan, what if the low level FATEs such as Alux got a power boost and instead of Lv10, it became Lv25? That would be a real visual indicator that these FATEs held something different.

Sadly though what we have is quite a boring zerg rush coupled along with ridiculous RNG.

[Mithent]

Now, I understand that the devs want FATEs to be played, thats fine by me, so long as they are meaningful and add something special. Remember when Lightning would show up at certain times during the marketing for Lightning Returns? What about when Shantotto somehow managed to cross over into Eorzea and be compared on a threat level to the Calamity, or the time when Golems from Dragon Quest popped in. Those were great fun in my opinion (I'm not sure what everyones feelings are on those FATEs though).

Yeah, I don't dislike the FATE system itself. It works well for incidental side content - something you do because it happens to pop in the area you're in, or for a seasonal event. But, just like when FATE grinding was the main way to level up additional classes, it doesn't hold up when it's something you have to focus on for hours. It always devolves into staring at a map, then charging across the zone en-masse, spamming AoEs for a while, then staring at the map again. Thankfully SE made dungeons competitive and there wasn't much point in FATE grinding any more, which is probably why they were repurposed for the Atma quest, which brings up all the same problems again, plus more due to the lack of reliable progression. Hopefully they learn from it this time and avoid any future content which encourages doing FATEs for hours on end.

[MrSigy]

100 pages soon, maybe they'll answer by then.

[MrEzekial]

It's sad, so many people still complaining about Atma. Just wait till you get to the 13500 mythology tombs... I mean, at least it's not RNG anymore, but it's the most tedious grind ever...

[Taruranto]

It's sad, so many people still complaining about Atma. Just wait till you get to the 13500 mythology tombs... I mean, at least it's not RNG anymore, but it's the most tedious grind ever...

That's because you think you have to do it in 2 days.

[Raenryong]

They should've just made the upgrade require all five EX Primals... possibly even Twintania if they want to get frisky with it.

[Arkista]

They should've just made the upgrade require all five EX Primals... possibly even Twintania if they want to get frisky with it.

Please no. Twin sure but the EX primals no thanks.

It's sad, so many people still complaining about Atma. Just wait till you get to the 13500 mythology tombs... I mean, at least it's not RNG anymore, but it's the most tedious grind ever...

That's not even a thing, Don't make 13,500 myth a problem cause its not. If you do one book every 2 days you will be done in 18 days. Its not a big deal, Each book you do upgrades a skill so no one should be crying about 13.5k myth. If you are doing more than one relic then its a lot, But no one is forcing anyone to do them all at once.

[Raenryong]

Please no. Twin sure but the EX primals no thanks.

Why not? Alternative progression path which doesn't require you to commit to a static group. Perfect for a more casual (but competitive) weapon, I feel - still requires a good amount of competence to achieve, no RNG, and still difficult enough that not everyone will have the upgraded forms.