Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[Kirko]

I always considered awesome instanced battles kill 100 trash mobs 5 more awesome instanced battles farm x dungeons for marks and a couple others were fine but Fates with very poor drop rates shows nothing to do with skill and in my mind doesnt say hey this is something not everyone will have because they arent as skilled as others its more of hey lets give this to the person who can spend tons of time doing it... (That got lost in translation Im not gonna fix it SE and forum trolls can decipher it my brain is mush from spamming 7 over and over again during fates.)

[Heat]

a friend in FC got all under 5 hours farming, one of them from his first fate.

i spent 3 days and only got 3

[lordparanoia]

I would really appreciate an answer from SE.
Everybody would.

[Thayos]

The lack of an "answer" may be the answer?

Some people are already 12/12... I'm 5/12, even though I went on a seven-hour stretch without a drop.

Overall though, the average drop rate on this for me has been about one atma per three hours, which sounds very reasonable. I'm guessing that's right about where it is overall, because I seem to be right in the middle of how people are progressing.

This is no different than camping LL for Leaping Boots, only there's less standing around and anyone can claim the mob.

[Illya]

My average has been 1 every 6 hours and it's a lot less reasonable for me than it is for you. A random luck based system like this is inherently unfair.

[Aldracity]

Ultimately, I think that the Atma quest was designed as a "casual" way to get nice items. As in, you don't have to spam multi-hour-long raiding sessions (with hours of maintenance behind them!) to get shiny gear, and can instead pile up those 1-hour-per-week stints in order to eventually get something.

Problem is, it seems as though the RNG is far too severe, and it appears as though people are getting jack squat despite hard-grinding the fates for hours on end. That's an issue. I'd suggest multiplying the drop rate by X times, and then requiring X "Atma Shards" in order to piece together the full Atma. It's still RNG and it's still grinding, but it should help reduce the raw RNG dickery at play here. Alternatively, you can have the certainty of "Atma Shards" dropping every time, but the quantity per FATE is randomized to ~1-4 instead of a flat value (because Skinner Box).

[Mithent]

I'd suggest multiplying the drop rate by X times, and then requiring X "Atma Shards" in order to piece together the full Atma. It's still RNG and it's still grinding, but it should help reduce the raw RNG dickery at play here. Alternatively, you can have the certainty of "Atma Shards" dropping every time, but the quantity per FATE is randomized to ~1-4 instead of a flat value (because Skinner Box).

That would be much better than the current system. You could run FATEs for an hour and expect to actually experience some progression, rather than either being successful (and it's relief I feel, not elation) or feeling like you've just wasted your time.

[Renault]

My experience for you all.

I obtained 3 atmas relatively quickly, not spending more than 2 hours in Eastern Than, Central Than, Southern Than respectively.

Western Thanalan however, I've been at it for over 15 hours and have done hundreds of fates here. Still no atma of the twins.

I am a hardcore gamer by definition so grinding does not bother me, actually I love it! The myth books I actually look forward to. However, this RNG is absolutely disgusting design, as I have been grinding level 5 fates and am getting rewarded in nothing but a repair bill.

Also, I have friends that have spent half the time grinding fates and already have their atma relic weapon. A friend of mine got the full thing in 7 hours. Working as intended? I hope not. It would make more sense for the quest to require 50 fates done per zone or something. At least give the players a sense of accomplishment as they go, make it feel like they're making progress.

[Calyanare]

getting rewarded in nothing but a repair bill.

Equip low level gear (the lv1 racial gear is perfect for this, or you could just go naked I guess), it hardly gets damaged, and it's not as if you need stats to do FATEs anyway.

[mircanda]

i started a petition on the feedback section of the forums to ask that drop rate be increased, please fee free to drop a post if you agree this should be fixed