Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[nakano13]

RNJesus must hate me or something, I've gotten 2 atmas pieces and the third one has taken me almost 3 hours of nothing. It's not really "challenging" as much as irritating...I'd rather fight trial/instanced monsters, like Chimera, than grind the same FATEs 20 times over just to pray that something drops.

[Almalexia]

I don't think the grindy part is the problem as much as it is grinding FATEs.

FATEs were designed to be stitching that holds other pieces of content together. Waiting for DF? Do a FATE. On the way to a quest marker? Do a FATE. Finish a log entry? Do a FATE. Going to a leve objective? Do a FATE. Doing a FATE? Do a FATE.

At least when you grind mob kills or SB, there is a set of targets that spawn independently of players in the vicinity, cluster in the same place and all die at the same rate. FATEs are literally and figuratively all over the place.

And you have to make a macro for level sync because god damn that blinking golden button.

[Eggnook24]

Entitlement

[Synthesis]

There could be more funnier ways than FATE grind -> Boss grind i would rather kill bosses over and over than do mindlesszerg fates.

Maybe they could take a part of good from XI

[Haeresis]

I can't understand. ALmost all the players that didn't liked the Zodiac quest dont even use the relic as weapon and WONT use the Zodiac as well because of the Stats and blablablabla. Why all this QQ for something you won't even use, lol.

[L-D-Omlette]

Emphasized Dungeons over FATEs. And introduced choice. These are huge changes to me.

Not my image but

looks very much like you described. The 12 atma pieces are the gateway grind to get to it.

[LexSunfire]

I think what people are missing is that fate grinding is just the first step to zodiac weapons. the second quest in the zodiac saga, trial of the braves requires purchasing 9 books at 1500 myth each. each of the 9 books has several objectives that have to be completed before you can purchase the next book. you can only have one book in your possession at a time. so put the fate grinding in that context.

[Teykos]

I think what people are missing is that fate grinding is just the first step to zodiac weapons. the second quest in the zodiac saga, trial of the braves requires purchasing 9 books at 1500 myth each. each of the 9 books has several objectives that have to be completed before you can purchase the next book. you can only have one book in your possession at a time. so put the fate grinding in that context.

So basically a milder version of the Trial of the Magians from FFXI?

Here's a link for some context if you're not familiar with it.

[nibelunc]

I think what people are missing is that fate grinding is just the first step to zodiac weapons. the second quest in the zodiac saga, trial of the braves requires purchasing 9 books at 1500 myth each. each of the 9 books has several objectives that have to be completed before you can purchase the next book. you can only have one book in your possession at a time. so put the fate grinding in that context.

LOL!!!!!!!

[RyuDragnier]

I think what people are missing is that fate grinding is just the first step to zodiac weapons. the second quest in the zodiac saga, trial of the braves requires purchasing 9 books at 1500 myth each. each of the 9 books has several objectives that have to be completed before you can purchase the next book. you can only have one book in your possession at a time. so put the fate grinding in that context.

The sad part is if that was the first step, that would have been okay with 90% of the people complaining right now, because then we would have a goal with a guaranteed number of "This is how many you need to do of X, Y, and Z." Which means we know the amount we need, we can work to it. But with RNG and these FATEs, we could do over 200 of them in a row and never see a single atma. This was a bad idea to make this first step RNG based.