SE, if you're that desperate for money...

[ReplicaX]

Join Date: Oct 2013

Gee, i didnt realize that 1.0 started in late 2013

Yep, cause that date by no means reflects when someone registered on the forum itself.

#trollharder

On topic, I blame the Industry as a whole setting the terrible precedent to begin with and the player demand purchasing it. SE seems to be just following what's past practiced via a different method.

At least they didn't do what ESO did.

Announce this:
"There will be no paywall beyond the sub"

Do this:
Collector's Edition = paywall for a damn playable race.

[LemmingKingXXX]

On topic, I blame the Industry as a whole setting the terrible precedent to begin with and the player demand purchasing it. SE seems to be just following what's past practiced via a different method.

This is a self-set precedent really. I could pay extra money for mules in FFXI starting from the game's release in 2002, and I could do a ton more damage to the economy with them through gardening than what it appears Ventures will be capable of, and gardening was much more fire-and-forget gil generation requiring just the setup and regular maintenance without any experience grinding required and with the techniques I used it self-generated the seed materials required.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...rThanTheyThink

[Doo]

This is a self-set precedent really. I could pay extra money for mules in FFXI starting from the game's release in 2002,

Except for this game doesn't copy from FFXI but from WoW .

[LemmingKingXXX]

Except for this game doesn't copy from FFXI but from WoW .

Not the point, he mentioned putting the blame to the industry for creating this situation, I posited that this additional retainer purchase is in fact a more progressive form of a precedent SE set for themselves, and could very well be far less influential on the economy than the gardening mule of last decade.

[Naunet]

This is a self-set precedent really. I could pay extra money for mules in FFXI starting from the game's release in 2002, and I could do a ton more damage to the economy with them through gardening than what it appears Ventures will be capable of, and gardening was much more fire-and-forget gil generation requiring just the setup and regular maintenance without any experience grinding required and with the techniques I used it self-generated the seed materials required.

SE wasn't selling mules in XI; they sold additional characters. Players just chose to use them as mules. And XI has/had a discount sub if you only have one character (just like XIV). That's a far cry from literally selling storage space and auction house slots, especially when a lot of us are already paying the full $15/month standard sub.

[Djeserit]

That's a far cry from literally selling storage space and auction house slots, especially when a lot of us are already paying the full $15/month standard sub.

If you are paying full sub fee, you have 175*16 + 8*100 = 3600 (potential) inventory spaces and 20*16 = 320 auction slots. It's up to you to do the work(?) required to level 7 alts to 15 to unlock retainers, and get them in your FC so you can use FC bank to transfer between them. Alternatively have a reliable friend act as a trading point.