Honest concern about the place of RNG in new coil progression

[Casper]

First of all, let me state that i am literally thrilled by most of what have been anounced for 2.2. I love the game and want it to succeed as much as possible.


That being said, and given the information we have, i am extremely concerned regarding the progression of the second coil of bahamuth. I am glad to see that coil gear will now be a tier above tome gear, as i find it silly that people that would never have stepped inside coil could get full i90 just spamming easymode WP week after week. However, most of us have been witnessed that with 2 chests per turn, the RNG to actually obtain gear in coil is quite insane. In the course of 3 months, it is quite possible for tanks to share a total of 3 pieces, and for healers to share 11 (or any other way around, just an example).

With the lockout on soldiery tomes, we will take about 14 weeks of 450/450 tomes to farm enough to get a full soldiery set (assuming 900 tomes are needed for zodiac weapons as it was in the past). Assuming, again, that T9 is balanced as was twintania, gear wise, it means you will need an ilvl of 103 to 104 before you can manage to take it down (blue garter killed TT with an average of 83 to 84).

If no system is in place to counterbalance RNG in coil (which was the point of mythology being i90, despite the other flaws of the system), it means that luck will play a fundamental role in the progression of each group. If you get equilibrate drops that are always relevant (no second brd pants when you only have one brd) and that do not overlap with the soldiery you bought (because if you buy soldiery body a week and the allagan body drop next week you basically wasted 900 tomes compared to someone that had bought the pant instead), you will be able to progress much faster than a group struck by a string of bad luck. It would be totally possible for one group to be ilvl 103 average after 6 or 7 weeks for one team, and to have to wait 12 or 13 for another.

I would be really sad if there was no countermeasure in place to balance out the RNG of coil. It has already been stated that we have lockout so we don't have to deal with low % chance of getting gear. I have no problem with either system, truth be told. But having both lockout in place preventing you to farm gear, and RNG dictating arbitrary how much time you must repeat content before getting an upgrade, is going to make for a very, very frustrating system.

[Gardes]

Since the tome gear is going to be inferior with allagan from the get go, the moment the allagan piece drops for the slot you already tomed, that tome piece would likely become useless immediately. 1-2 weeks's allowance down the drain and it would really hurt really bad if you happen to get both on the same week or even the week after.

If someone's really stingy with this kind of thing, would they pour their soldiery tomes into their secondary class instead of primary yet again? Yet another thing that becomes 'gearing up for alts'? Though I imagine tanks might get pressured into pouring their tomes into their tank gear. This likely won't affect me for a while yet but can't we at least have a 1 tome gear full refund a week feature for at least?

[madolyn]

theres a guy in my FC that just got his first DRG coil piece yesterday after 6 months.....

so yeah. thats the RNG i assume you're talking about lol.

[tymora]

theres a guy in my FC that just got his first DRG coil piece yesterday after 6 months.....

so yeah. thats the RNG i assume you're talking about lol.

Poor sod. Our drg was decked out in like 3 runs...

[Pibz]

Yeah, i'm a bit scared of this myself :X

[Kaaylryn]

Have seen mostly MNK and DRG for our static, at least our DRG was happy/lucky. We don't have a MNK. Have never seen the casting pants, and it has been a long hard slog for our healers and tanks.

[Siobahn]

Have seen mostly MNK and DRG for our static, at least our DRG was happy/lucky. We don't have a MNK. Have never seen the casting pants, and it has been a long hard slog for our healers and tanks.

This^^ My group has been clearing coil 1-4 since mid-November, and the casting pants have not dropped once. Neither has the caster body. Meanwhile, everyone else in the static has a second job at full i90 (including my 2nd job), but my main is still wearing CT pants and inferior i90 because SE can't balance loot tables.

[FizzyGiggles]

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN BEEN DOING COIL JUST AS LONG NEVER SEEN THEM DAMN CASTING PAAAANNNTTSS

[Kuroyasha]

This^^ My group has been clearing coil 1-4 since mid-November, and the casting pants have not dropped once. Neither has the caster body. Meanwhile, everyone else in the static has a second job at full i90 (including my 2nd job), but my main is still wearing CT pants and inferior i90 because SE can't balance loot tables.

This is funny b/c Im in the same position lol. I have seen the pants drop once (lost to someone else in my current static who already had i90 pants ._.) and ive never seen cast chest..at all. every time i hear people on my server say they've seen it 3 or 4 times im like "....>_>". But i got my mnk to i90 this week while my BLM stuck with CT and af+1 body. But oh well i guess; What can you do at the end of the day? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[saber_alter]

i'm as worried.

guess i'm going to wait a little for people to get a loot table organized before i decide on what i buy with tomes.