SE - Default 3rd Retainer before Fees

[Ricky]

Just buy the retainer if you need it. It's as simple as that. We already get TWO for free.

Free? Wait a minute, why am I paying $10/month then? If this is a microtransaction free game then I am spending $10 monthly for nothing!

[Felis]

Free? Wait a minute, why am I paying $10/month then? If this is a microtransaction free game then I am spending $10 monthly for nothing!

To have access to the game servers.

- Armoury doesn't provide enough slots. DL gear could easily be used for two jobs, Myth gear is for a single job so for example for a BLM and a Conjuror, you need the equip 2 times although they share stats.

Just throw them away once you have better equip that can wear more than 1 class/job (like crafted ilevel 90 gear) and don't want it for vanity. If you want it later again, they are still obtainable.

Another thing from the forum archives

I receive a lot of suggestions to increase inventory space or make inventory unlimited, but it is impossible to possess every single item (which is increasing constantly through updates) on a single character. Please understand that this is physically impossible, because there is a cost related limit to server storage (the location where everybody’s character data is stored). In order to increase stored data, (tens of thousands of characters x numbers of items x bytes of each item) there is no other option but to increase hard drive size. Basically, charging fees for additional storage options exists to combat this issue.

Even for stand-alone package games, the size of the save data is greatly affected by the number of items, so the numbers of items and the size of each item are determined by available server space.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post307720
Even if it was more about the recipe revamps.

[Tupsi]

Free? Wait a minute, why am I paying $10/month then? If this is a microtransaction free game then I am spending $10 monthly for nothing!

Can you show me where you bought your initial 2 retainers on the website? I'm looking at the mog station and I don't see any options that state:

"First 2 retainers = x$"

As I'm pretty sure when I went to rehire my retainers it cost neither gil nor real money. If you're paying $10 for retainers and not to access FFXIV, I think you got scammed, sorry to say.

[Ashgarth]

Can you show me where you bought your initial 2 retainers on the website? I'm looking at the mog station and I don't see any options that state:

"First 2 retainers = x$"

As I'm pretty sure when I went to rehire my retainers it cost neither gil nor real money. If you're paying $10 for retainers and not to access FFXIV, I think you got scammed, sorry to say.

Oh crap, you are right.

It doesnt say anywhere that 10$ is giving me access to all the dungeons and raids nor does it say i'll have access to all the crafting recipes... man this 10$ fee is going to get bigger and bigger following your train of thought.

[Tupsi]

Oh crap, you are right.

It doesnt say anywhere that 10$ is giving me access to all the dungeons and raids nor does it say i'll have access to all the crafting recipes... man this 10$ fee is going to get bigger and bigger following your train of thought.

Try again after you stop reaching.

However, since you love to reach - When you pay a sub for a P2P game you are paying to access the service, did you not read the terms? Your 2 retainers came with that subscription fee, them charging for additional retainers didn't come with that subscription fee. Using your logic, you should be entitled to expansion packs and add-ons for free simply because you pay $10. Heck, I have nothing against you personally, it's just the train of thought that seems to ignore your sub simply means you get to log in for as long as the service remains, anything else is up to SE's discretion.

So again, where does the mog station say you paid $10 purely for 2 retainers? I don't recall the game asking me to pay gil or money to access my retainers. You played since 1.0 or you were one of the many who quit the game after a week or two - You shouldn't be this surprised about them charging for additional retainers. It's been the plan since 2010.

So when people say they paid $10 for their retainers, that means they got ripped because your $10 is supposed to be to access the service of FFXIV, otherwise there could be some serious lawsuits if SE is taking your money and not delivering their promise (you can log into FFXIV.)

[Versiroth]

"Precedent: An earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances."

This issue = a bad precedent. The people defending it just don't get it. If they're willing to charge for bag space, then eventually, they'll charge for extra hair styles. And then special colored dyes. And then the ability to teleport to certain special locations. And then the ability to raise the weekly tome total past 450, etc. And if you're ok with this now, you have no right to complain later when they start nickle and diming you for everything you do.

[Tupsi]

"Precedent: An earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances."

This issue = a bad precedent. The people defending it just don't get it.

WoW already set the precedent of microtransactions in a P2P MMO if you want to get technical - Yoshi openly admits he wants to follow WoW in almost every way imagainable. SE stated numerous times in 3 years they'll charge additional fees if you want more retainers.

You choose either Entry ($12), or Basic ($14), if you choose Basic, you're paying more to access more (You gain more characters per world). SE is going to be charging us for Fantasia potions, which are one time use items which is actually a lot worse than an additional retainer which has a lasting value to you if you simply just pay the $2 extra a month, since what if you use your potion and decide you wanted to do something else or messed up? You're going to keep buying the potions over and over and dumping more money into SE's lap in the long run.

And if you're ok with this now, you have no right to complain later when they start nickle and diming you for everything you do.

It's far too late - People decided to buy "Early access" and "Alpha" games for $20+ ontop of DLC, the gaming market has long been ruined. Funnily enough, SE actually is one of the worse "nickle and dime" companies when it comes to their social/mobile games which is why people are dreading the Mana revival.

[ReplicaX]

This issue = a bad precedent. The people defending it just don't get it.

There is more involved than customer opinions on a forum. Industry current and past practices and the fact they are a privately held company with shareholders, for example.

Consumer feedback does have an impact, however it is still one factor of many. Consumer demand is also another and has a heavy influence on a service becoming a common practice.

There is a reason why I don't try and change players' opinions here. It represents a small part of them. A silent majority can easily create the demand for this retainer service or vice versa.

*The text in bold is due to a previous thread where someone falsely stated they had no shareholders.

[LemmingKingXXX]

"Precedent: An earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances."

This issue = a bad precedent. The people defending it just don't get it. If they're willing to charge for bag space, then eventually, they'll charge for extra hair styles. And then special colored dyes. And then the ability to teleport to certain special locations. And then the ability to raise the weekly tome total past 450, etc. And if you're ok with this now, you have no right to complain later when they start nickle and diming you for everything you do.

No one will complain because anyone with a problem with stuff like that will pack up and move on to another game or form of entertainment. Stop tossing around the "slippery slope" argument as though what happens in this game has a serious impact on your real life, it makes you sound like a fear mongering political hack. People don't voluntarily participate in hobbies they don't enjoy, and unless your income depends on video games in some manner then they are still a hobby. If a feature comes along that makes you hate the game or the direction its being taken, then the simple solution is to stop paying and stop playing, you'll not have lost anything assuming you've enjoyed your time spent up until that point. This is why I don't get all riled up at stuff like this, if I don't really care about a system in place or a service being offered then I ignore it and I don't waste time worrying that X will lead to Y in the future where Y is something I will hate. I'm also always ready to eat my words upon fully exploring features and systems that I previously expressed apathy towards, if it turns out that Ventures provide some sort of game breaking imbalance and it isn't clear that SE would be willing to shore things up before the damage done is too great, then I'll pack up my troubles and exit stage left (right even). Though I wouldn't be posting anymore tn that occurrence I may still browse the forums, this place is like some vitriolic political environment without that pesky reality getting in the way.