SE - Default 3rd Retainer before Fees

[Tupsi]

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And yet people are falling all over themselves for a 1 time use potion to be added to the mogstation for real money.

This is in the update notes... Go read them.

Yes, but where does it say it will offer GAME BREAKING AND CHANGING items? You know, to completely KILL THE BALANCE of the game if you don't buy additional retainers?

[Sunarie]

And yet people are falling all over themselves for a 1 time use potion to be added to the mogstation for real money.

Right, it's cosmetic and has nothing to do with changing the gameplay, or giving people an advantage. Precedent has also been set for race/name/faction/server changes to be in a real money shop. Those things have historically not been offered for free, save for server transfers for extremely high pop servers that are having issues, or for servers that are being closed.

I'm not saying it makes sense, or even that it's right.. I'm saying I'm not surprised by the uproar because SE isn't doing what's considered normal for a sub based game. I, personally, dislike the extra retainers because of the venture system. That's really the only bit that gives those paying a viable leg up (and frankly, I don't care how small or large people think it is.. it's a leg up, doesn't have to be game breaking for me to dislike it). Others aren't going to like it for just being something additional to pay for when that same something has never been behind a pay wall in their previous sub based games.

[ReplicaX]

SE isn't doing what's considered normal for a sub based game.

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• PTW Level 90 WoW Character Boost $60 USD

There were plenty of things that weren't normal and now are an Industry Standard due to other P2P MMOs and players years ago.

I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion here. This is my own and if the game goes true PTW with P2P, my 11 years with SE on P2P services will most likely stop.

I'm not gonna judge the Venture system until I try it myself on my 2 retainers and also give SE a little time to iron out restrictions in the system once implemented. I don't require optional retainers even with all the crafting and gathering I do currently as I take some of my time to manage and prioritize it.

[Sunarie]

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• PTW Level 90 WoW Character Boost $60 USD

There were plenty of things that weren't normal and now are an Industry Standard due to other P2P MMOs and players years ago.

I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion here. This is my own and if the game goes true PTW with P2P, my 11 years with SE on P2P services will most likely stop.

Right, and if I played WoW I'd be against that too. In fact, from the people I know that do play WoW, I haven't heard a single person in favor of the Character Boost thing. I also don't think the retainers are P2W, but I'm not gonna pretend they don't offer an advantage, or tell people they should be okay with them offering an advantage. Nor am I gonna say people wanting more space without shelling over additional cash are being entitled or whining. Still stands that people usually go P2P to avoid the whole buying advantages deal, so this is going to anger them, and understandably so. Yet people act like they're so surprised and people have no right to be upset.

Yeah people blow it out of proportion (it's definitely not P2W), yes SE is going to make money however they want, or in ways they think is best (I hardly think SE is out to look out for the players beyond just trying to make sure players stay so they can get more money.. they are hardly doing things out of the kindness of their hearts).. people don't have to be happy with what they choose. It also doesn't mean that people need to be happy and just take whatever SE throws at them because SE is just trying to make money.

Now, in that same breath, throwing a huff on the forums likely isn't going to make anything changed. Kinda like RMT.. no one seems to like it, but it's always around cause there are strangely always customers.

[ReplicaX]

Now, in that same breath, throwing a huff on the forums likely isn't going to make anything changed. Kinda like RMT.. no one seems to like it, but it's always around cause there are strangely always customers.

Just like you don't see posts about FCs and LSs selling content clears. Although they will gladly risk taking gil from anyone. Technically some of that is just illegal PTW if its RMT gil.

I'm just waiting to see where SE goes with this service and how they respond if it is abused as some ppl will try to exploit it.

[Gextiv]

And yet people are falling all over themselves for a 1 time use potion to be added to the mogstation for real money.



Yes, but where does it say it will offer GAME BREAKING AND CHANGING items? You know, to completely KILL THE BALANCE of the game if you don't buy additional retainers?

And what if it is "game breaking"?

I propose they make the output of 2 retainers doing VENTURE--no matter how many retainers a player may have-- be the DEFAULT retainer's output for all players, since everyone has 2 retainers by default. That way, no matter how "game breaking" venturing might be, all players will at least be on even footing.