SE - Default 3rd Retainer before Fees

[Ashgarth]

Company Chest.

Sure, let's all ask our FC to clear away a chest tab and give us exclusie access to it every time we have to take out a raptor hide from another character.

[Gilthas]

Sure, let's all ask our FC to clear away a chest tab and give us exclusie access to it every time we have to take out a raptor hide from another character.

Find a better FC then.

Three starting cities, 1 retainer per city as the baseline. That's how it should have been from the beginning.

This makes zero sense since you're trying to associate two different things just to come up with a reason why you should get a third retainer. I mean, your argument would completely fall apart if SE gave you a third retainer, but reduced the inventory and MB slots of each retainer by 1/3, while increasing the duration of ventures by 50% too.

Player two gets the money s/he needed, while player one is still playing and selling.

I won't disagree that having extra retainers gives a player an advantage, but you're completely overlooking that the game already gives an advantage to players who pay more. People paying a standard fee can have 8 characters on a single server (each with 2 retainers), over people paying the entry fee. Having extra characters is a way better tool to monopolizing markets than extra retainers so you're really reaching if you want to argue that extra retainers is what's breaking the balance.

[chocomaid]

I won't disagree that having extra retainers gives a player an advantage, but you're completely overlooking that the game already gives an advantage to players who pay more. People paying a standard fee can have 8 characters on a single server (each with 2 retainers), over people paying the entry fee. Having extra characters is a way better tool to monopolizing markets than extra retainers so you're really reaching if you want to argue that extra retainers is what's breaking the balance.

I 100% definitely agree with you that having extra characters/alts is a better tool than extra retainers. This whole thread would be moot and non-existent if only SE could let us friend our alts and send them mail but alas, it's not that time yet

Note that I and a number of people don't want to just be "given" or be "handed" a free retainer off the bat, that's just ridiculous. We want the means to get it, without spending real money.

You want better gear -> craft it -> better gear
You want better gear -> dungeon or raid or quest it -> better gear
You need items for crafting -> buy it from the markets - > items
You need items for crafting -> farm it -> items
You want adventure -> see the world, do quests -> adventure
You want a social experience -> Join FCs, LSs find RPers etc -> social aspect
You want new items brought by new patch -> craft it -> items
You want new items brought by new patch -> dungeon or raid or quest it -> items
You need extra space for new stuff -> You need to pay for it -> wut

Make it IN-GAME, include extra retainer via quests, grand company assignments, a gil fee. Don't take it outside the game is all I ask.

[PlanckZero]

You need extra space for new stuff -> You need to pay for it -> wut

The key word here is "NEED".

You do not NEED extra space, you WANT extra space. If each of your existing retainers is packed to the gills then it is time to clean house.

If SE released a free third retainer and you filled it up as well would you suddenly NEED a fourth? A fifth? A sixth?

If you NEED extra space what you NEED to do is toss some of the junk you're no longer using or hoarding for the sake of hoarding.

I just went through my retainers to clean things up. I was down to 25 slots left on each retainer, know what I had sitting on my materials retainer? SIX freaking stacks of HQ Electrum ore, Four stacks of HQ Mythril ore , three stacks of HQ mistletoe and the list goes on... after kicking myself for not remembering why I actually had so much crap I put it up on the market and look at all of the space I've opened up.

Hell I could even free up some space on my equipment retainer if I hadn't compulsively collected every single drop from AK and refuse to throw any of it away for some reason.

[chocomaid]

stuff

Need. Want. Doesn't matter. What I'm focusing on is it is OUTSIDE the game. Yes that was my poor wording, no I don't NEED it no, people are asking for options that doesn't deviate from the MMO world.

Do people NEED loot from dungeons or raids? No. They WANT it, according to your logic. Despite that, it's in the game no? Is it free? Yes.

Do people NEED raid progression? Again no, they simply WANT it.

It's not a matter if people have space or whatnot, it might be in the near future when you know, more and more and more items are introduced. The issue at hand is it is not in-game.

[Zwipe]

Need. Want. Doesn't matter. What I'm focusing on is it is OUTSIDE the game. Yes that was my poor wording, no I don't NEED it no, people are asking for options that doesn't deviate from the MMO world.

Do people NEED loot from dungeons or raids? No. They WANT it, according to your logic. Despite that, it's in the game no? Is it free? Yes.

Do people NEED raid progression? Again no, they simply WANT it.

It's not a matter if people have space or whatnot, it might be in the near future when you know, more and more and more items are introduced. The issue at hand is it is not in-game.

The real issue is not wanting to pay. Sorry bud, Just calling it as I see it.

[Sunarie]

The real issue is not wanting to pay. Sorry bud, Just calling it as I see it.

You're right.. but as I have stated a number of times.. people play sub games to avoid being nickel and dimed for stuff like bag space, and to avoid players getting an advantage over others just because they have more money they are willing to throw at a game. People pointing out how you can already pay for more characters do have a point, but this is where smart marketing and previous MMO sub trends kinda come in. Instead of seeing it as paying more for characters, you get to pay less if you only want to play one. If the standard, 1 character fee was $15.00 (US), and then the 8 character version was $17, people would probably pitch a fit.

That aside, they have made it incredibly tedious and difficult to be able to trade between characters. They also made leveling the characters enough to get access to the two retainers take a good deal more time than any other MMOs where mules typically come into play. The paranoid part of me who highly dislikes F2P models wonders if that wasn't intentionally done so that space was more limited (since they were always planning the retainer as a shop item) to prevent people from having mule characters and provide incentive to get the retainers. Doesn't really matter, and the extra space isn't really what I'm bugged about.. it's more the ventures.

[Gextiv]

You do not NEED extra space, you WANT extra space.

I want extra space, because I "NEED" it.

[KupoNuts]

The key word here is "NEED".

You do not NEED extra space, you WANT extra space. If each of your existing retainers is packed to the gills then it is time to clean house.

If SE released a free third retainer and you filled it up as well would you suddenly NEED a fourth? A fifth? A sixth?

Gosh can you imagine? People actually need more inventory space? No way, how could they possibly! I totally feel you bro.

/sarcasm off