I love how SE is handling the echo buff and nerf of content

[Shirai]

I love it. Casuals get easier access to content that is hard to do without a static and hardcore players get a new raid and some new non-echo extreme primals. It's a good way to give content to every type of player.

And even on the older content, they can turn the echo off if they want to.

My own progress group is pretty close to killing Twin now and I'm pretty sure we will before the echo is implemented.
But I will be very happy with it when we get to the point where we start carrying the other people in our FC through.

[Mjollnir]

First of all, the echo buff is something that is already in the lore of the game, and makes sense.

Feelings about the nerf aside, The Echo used to be an amazing plot device that created such an intricate, interlaced storyline that one of the main focusses of these forums was to discuss exactly what it did and how it affected us. The lore behind it was awesome; time-travelling without realising and having a tangible effect on the past when we weren't supposed to be able to was the very tip of the iceberg that hinted at a much deeper and darker origin that was slowly being revealed up until the moment Dalamud opened.

Now it's been written off as a flashback tool and a buff-if-you-fail algorithm. I wish it had been called something else. It's merely an echo of The Echo, nothing more.

[Linadae]

I love the fact that companies have started helping players who through a lack of skill, experience, no endgame FC, or gear have been unable to see the content. It's not about entitlement it's about getting what we paid for. We are paying a sub to see all the game has to offer. I don't mind waiting till the next patch to see it as long as I get there.

This way the hardcore gets the ego boost from beating it before the buff and others get to see the rest of the story that they paid for after all no one in their right mind would pay full price for a book knowing they would only get to read half because they don't have enough experience to read the other half.

[BlackHaloJT]

Hopefully this promotes a more cooperative community.

Sadly even a echo buff won't promote a cooperative community its been gone since launch.

[Casper]

Feelings about the nerf aside, The Echo used to be an amazing plot device that created such an intricate, interlaced storyline that one of the main focusses of these forums was to discuss exactly what it did and how it affected us. The lore behind it was awesome; time-travelling without realising and having a tangible effect on the past when we weren't supposed to be able to was the very tip of the iceberg that hinted at a much deeper and darker origin that was slowly being revealed up until the moment Dalamud opened.

I remember in Xenoblade Chronicles, you had that strange power allowing you to see the future, that would be used in the gameplay to give you information when strong attacks would come, so you could interrupt them if you reacted quickly enough. They could have definitely do the same here and explained the red marking for aoes as a power of the echo, feel like such a shame now

[Drako]

Unfortunately, even though you'll be able to disable it. Asking if people want to disable it, will be a kin to asking people if they want to try rot on T2. I'm actually happy T1-5 is unlocked now, I might actually finally find a group in PF that is willing to try rot. I've always wanted to be in a group that beat it the real way. But never was able to. My static group never was willing to because of numerous, albeit decent, reasons. Overall I am happy about the echo buff going into all these contents.

My only real concern is, and I forgot to mention this in my previous post, is titan Ex. The echo buff could actually make that fight harder. Their are those phases that get messed up if you are too fast DPS. Like when he jumps for heart phase, if your too fast(or too slow depending on who you ask) Titan will jail two people when he jumps. Your definitely going to see this more after the update. I honestly don't understand why SE doesn't have the jails break up when he jumps, just like it does in HM. I have a sneaky feeling they may fix that in this update. IDK why, I hope I'm right.

[Andevom]

Most people who have issues with "The Echo" buff don't care that it's making things easier on *them*, but that it's making it easier for other players. They don't like the fact that someone can get a shiny thing they got months ago, but with less effort.

Some people never learn that it's not all about the stuff you have, but how you play.

[NintenPyjak64]

Would like to get done with my 1st Coil farming before the first Echo increment, but this will make getting the Primal jewelry I still need much easier

[Casper]

Most people who have issues with "The Echo" buff don't care that it's making things easier on *them*, but that it's making it easier for other players. They don't like the fact that someone can get a shiny thing they got months ago, but with less effort.

Some people never learn that it's not all about the stuff you have, but how you play.

Yeah i find that sad too. I mean don't get me wrong. I'm happy with some bones, a bit of head start for example, won't spit on it. But in the end people should understand that more people experiencing content means they can do more content like this in the future; if 5% of people experience it ever, then there's not much point in delivering new stuff every 3 months.

[Beetle]

people leave mostly because isnt fast enough, they forget that there is a whole mechanic to be set in order to succeed but hey what is the point in beating a dead horse....This nerf and I agree is will thought and I hope it will work fine.

Mei

Says the guy still in darklight cowl.