I love how SE is handling the echo buff and nerf of content

[Simaril]

One of the problems we all seem to agree on is people ragequiting after one attempt. They're rewarding multiple attempts. Hopefully this promotes a more cooperative community.

[Merle]

Sometimes i join random primal fights to help people and it makes me sad to see that we fail because "uuugh, sooo close. We need just a bit dps to win...", but we have to disband because there is no chance (i know, i know: "get better gear", but sometimes there is a really good attitude and it sucks that there is no reward for it...). At least this will help them to clear it

[Jinko]

Agree I think its important that they provide a way for less skilled players to completely the old content otherwise they will lose them to more casual games.

Also as someone else mentioned above it will make players less likely to get frustrated and leaving a party on death as the next time will be easier.

[Synapse]

..without the echo ticking, and then it will ramp up allowing you, hopefully, to beat the old content exactly at the right difficulty...

Unless the checking the Echo buff off makes the monster use abilities it had before it got nerf or spawn adds that were there before the nerf... then no...it is not the exact difficulty.

Tho the nerf does not bother me, i enjoy the fact i did it before the nerf and not got things handed to me.

But feels wrong for a 3-5 month old content to get nerf'd.. even before first expansion.

Just gotta see how this game goes for a yr.. which is in about 6 months.

[NeoAmon]

Yes this is a move in the right direction IMHO. I don't see any reason to forbid players from even trying T6+. This will keep everyone happy, those who never tried Coil will have a blast farming it as it is a very well made "dungeon" IMHO. All old blocked contents are accessible and should be more inviting to new and old players alike .

As for those whom are looking for a challenge, T6-T9 & Leviathan Ex says "Hi".

[Drako]

I'd hate people to get upset to even more of a buff for echo but.. I wish it would incrementally slow down some of the boss's actions. How long you have to get out of plumes, landslide, how long you have to get out of feathers, how long to get out of the way of dashs. I know that's like making it easy, but I feel like some players that can't seem to react fast enough no matter how many tries, needs that extra edge to complete content. As a joke I would like to suggest they add a guard rail to titan HM/EX after dieing 10 times, or when the 20min warning occurs. I think that the echo is the right thing to do for players that need it. But at the same time, I feel they need a lot more difficult content available, before they start making it easy cheese. I'll gladly be taking full advantage of the buffs to get stuff done for my other jobs. And I'll likely be using it to get past T5. I've done twin only a few times, but from what I've experienced not many people can get past conflag, idk if the buff is going to help with that but we'll see. Being unlocked content will likely help it a lot more then the echo buff will.

[Ehayte]

One of the problems we all seem to agree on is people ragequiting after one attempt. . .

I'd like to play devil's advocate for these people (yes, I am calling them devils). The reason people do this is VERY RARELY because the group didn't one shot the trial. It's because it is either:

A. Obvious that the PF text criteria was not met to their standards (i.e. "Know the fight, this is not a learning group" and people stand right next to pillars in Garuda X)
B. Obvious that the skill level present or the combination of skill and gear is going to make the going more difficult than they are willing to deal with, and they decide their time will be better spent elsewhere (i.e. both healers have 3400 HP in Titan X, and the SCH doesn't use Aetherflow)

Most of those people get frustrated and leave because a "clear group" was advertised, or a "farm group," and then the group was not able to deliver on the promise in a big and obvious way. I will sometimes join a PF group with a FC mate that needs help clearing something and be in vent, and make comments in the first 45 seconds of the fight like, "This group has no shot at all of downing this."

I won't leave until at least 3 solid attempts are given and it is still clear that group is doomed to fail, but I can certainly understand the frustration of those people who might do that - they simply probably care less about what others think of them, lol.

@ OP - Agreed. I also don't think the buffs are going to make THAT big of a difference. As you said, you are still going to get smoked by stacked plumes, 2 bombs, ifrit slides, not killing spiny, landslides, WWs, etc. DPS checks are the only thing that are going to be trivialized, and they were going to get trivialized with everyone having access to i100 tome gear in the first place. You will be able to be iLVL 95ish within 2-3 weeks if you try anyways (probably).

[Merle]

How long you have to get out of plumes, landslide, how long you have to get out of feathers, how long to get out of the way of dashs. I know that's like making it easy, but I feel like some players that can't seem to react fast enough no matter how many tries, needs that extra edge to complete content.

I like this. I know some people that couldn't clear titan hard by themselves because they had a lot of lag or they couldn't react fast enough. More time to avoid aoes/beat dps checks if would be nice...

Also, i know it's "extreme" or "really hard to beat" (like twintania), but.... why the hell all "hard" battles have a "rage timer"? Hell, this instance has 60 minutes, i should be able to beat it the way i want no matter the time it takes... Maybe i'm wrong, but it's like in FFXIII, when Baldanders casts "Doom" on you because you're killing him too slow... what's wrong with it if i want to take it easy? ><

[Versiroth]

I love it. Casuals get easier access to content that is hard to do without a static and hardcore players get a new raid and some new non-echo extreme primals. It's a good way to give content to every type of player.

[Meshico]

Great Post OP. Its a nice change of pace, and a welcome one. Keep on posting please

Especially the part where you mention it can be turned "OFF" so if people don't like it, it's totally fine