Whm/Sch... which will get BiS?

[OmegaSinX]

Death Sentence comes every 3 plummets, which comes every 3 auto attacks. Wicked Wheel comes 4 seconds after Friction. If your tank doesn't have both Stoneskin and Adlo for those attacks, your healers are dropping the ball.

Crits are unreliable and generally unneeded. If you NEED a crit somewhere, you've screwed up.

I disagree. If your a good healer your right you will foresee most dynamics and be ready for it....but no1 can foresee everything, things will crit your tank (EX primals for example) and can catch you off guard. My whole point is he's saying its useless. And thats ballsy imo. Theres a difference between not as important to WHM & Useless...and for schlor thats the total opposite, CRIT>DET

Its like having new brakes on your car....you might not always need superb brakes, but your definately happy you have it when it comes thru in your time in need.

[Menae]

Death Sentence comes every 3 plummets, which comes every 3 auto attacks.

Haha, really?

I've just been doing it by feel for the most part. ~30 seconds from the last DS? Stoneskin. In P2 onward, replace with: no infirmity on the tank? Stoneskin. In P5, as I sprint terrified from Liquid Hell spam, replace with: Benediction as DS hits and PRAY.

[Zaft]

Haha, really?

I've just been doing it by feel for the most part. ~30 seconds from the last DS? Stoneskin. In P2 onward, replace with: no infirmity on the tank? Stoneskin. In P5, as I sprint terrified from Liquid Hell spam, replace with: Benediction as DS hits and PRAY.

Yep! It can be slightly pushed back by Fireball, so just be aware of that. Also, on P2, you've got pretty much the right idea actually. His last plummet will be the only plummet done when the tank does NOT have infirmity. So if you lose track of the counting, and you notice his infirmity has worn off, you'll know that the next plummet heralds a Death Sentence. For P3, I use swift-stoneskin or swift-adlo if I'm running away from Liquid Hells and a Death Sentence is soon to land.

[Airikay]

As if threat is even an issue since 2.1. Unless ur spamming your cure, a crit means less mp your spending to get the tank back to full health. And tell me crits are useless after your tank eats a death sentence or wicked wheel.

ofcourse it benefits whm. . If healer share the allagan 2gear they will need to make at least 50/50. Wouldnt be fair for either if its benefit one class more.

I am telling you a crit is useless after a death sentence and wicked wheel, yes. A well timed cure 2 and lustrate raises our tank right back to full health. Without me critting. You can't count on crits too happen and there is no proc benefit. I use 0 crit gear as do most WHM who do endgame that have what they consider BiS. Most will pick cleric hands over Allagan hands and Allagan belt over hero. I'm seeing you in DL and figuring you have no real endgame experience as a WHM.

Also, aggro goes simply beyond ripping hate off a tank. It also goes with where I'm placed in aggro list. Certain abilities targets certain players on aggro list. I don't even want to be 2nd or third in most cases. Which I think you don't understand at all. Unless you think WHM get no aggro all of a sudden with healing since 2.1? Which lol @ you if so

Edit: I understand it'd be fair to split 50/50, half crit and half det. My original point is you were saying all crit would benefit both, which is the furthest thing from the truth. You tried claiming WHM don't turn away from crit, which for most is also furthest thing from the truth.

[OmegaSinX]

I am telling you a crit is useless after a death sentence and wicked wheel, yes.

I'm seeing you in DL and figuring you have no real endgame experience as a WHM.

So you having better gear automatically makes your point valid ? lol. As a i90 WAR/PLD Main since launch ; I have enough of experience to know a crit heal could mean the difference between a successful run and a wipe. DET and Crits are both important to Healers. Sure each class has their BiS preference because of class dynamics, but to say CRIT is useless to WHM is almost as dumb as saying VIT is useless to healers.

Also, aggro goes simply beyond ripping hate off a tank. It also goes with where I'm placed in aggro list. Certain abilities targets certain players on aggro list. I don't even want to be 2nd or third in most cases. Which I think you don't understand at all. Unless you think WHM get no aggro all of a sudden with healing since 2.1? Which lol @ you if so

Since 2.1 Tanking as far enmity is concern, has become face roll easy. Dont know what tanks you role with, and maybe you have tanks who dont use their cooldowns effectively but when I tank; healers are at the bottom of the threat list near 0. If anything, Main Tanks biggest rival for threat are other tanks. Followed by SMN> MNK> BLM> DRG Heck even BRDs.

Only situation where ive seen Healers Threat really high is in Turn 2 Enrage Method where they are spamming AoE Cures.


So Based on your logic. If I had to choose between 2 healers, both with the same amount of experience and both with the same MND, PIE and DET, But one has Higher CRIT than the other, I should turn down the one with more crit because He will cause "threat issues."

LOL @ YOU

[JonFarron]

I am telling you a crit is useless after a death sentence and wicked wheel, yes. A well timed cure 2 and lustrate raises our tank right back to full health. Without me critting. You can't count on crits too happen and there is no proc benefit. I use 0 crit gear as do most WHM who do endgame that have what they consider BiS. Most will pick cleric hands over Allagan hands and Allagan belt over hero. I'm seeing you in DL and figuring you have no real endgame experience as a WHM.

Also, aggro goes simply beyond ripping hate off a tank. It also goes with where I'm placed in aggro list. Certain abilities targets certain players on aggro list. I don't even want to be 2nd or third in most cases. Which I think you don't understand at all. Unless you think WHM get no aggro all of a sudden with healing since 2.1? Which lol @ you if so

Edit: I understand it'd be fair to split 50/50, half crit and half det. My original point is you were saying all crit would benefit both, which is the furthest thing from the truth. You tried claiming WHM don't turn away from crit, which for most is also furthest thing from the truth.

I'm SCH BiS. As a result, my WHM has all the crit accessories and the Allagan gloves. I LOVE the crit on WHM . It really really helps in mana conservation, and with Shroud on constant CD, aggro is hardly a problem. Solo healing is also a lot easier. 2200 Cure III crits during Titan HM tumults are amazing. 1/4 heals seems to crit for me, and a Cure I with a crit is perfectly capable of completely topping of a DPS from half health. I also can't tell you how many times a Cure II crit has saved the tank.

[Airikay]

LOL @ YOU

Wow, your reading comprehension is terrible. I said ripping from tanks isn't issue, it also depends where I'm on aggro list. Because certain attacks target the second or third enmity etc. Conflag and dread being a major one. I find it funny you think because you blow cooldowns, healers are at bottom of threat list automatically. I guess you only tank CT. You speak from no experience as a conjurer, as yours isn\\'t even 50. How can you really tell someone how their class is when you\\'ve never touched it? /mindblown

[Songi]

Wow, your reading comprehension is terrible. I said ripping from tanks isn't issue, it also depends where I'm on aggro list. Because certain attacks target the second or third enmity etc. Conflag and dread being a major one.

Conflag and dread don't target 2nd on hate list. If you're 2nd on Twintania rest assured, you'll never have to deal with these mechanics as a healer.

[OmegaSinX]

You speak from no experience as a conjurer, as yours isn't even 50. How can you really tell someone how their class is when you've never touched it? /mindblown

I am telling you a crit is useless

1st off, this whole conversation started when you said crit is useless to whm, period. No one said det isnt better for whm. We can all agree that det > crit for whm and crit > det for sch. My argument is that although whm want more det, crit is not completely useless for whm either.

Edit: I understand it'd be fair to split 50/50, half crit and half det. My original point is you were saying all crit would benefit both

Just realized you changed your original statement, this is more accurate and that's exactly what I said in my original comment. I never said it should be all crit, I said it would be balance if it was all MND PIE DET AND CRIT.

Bottom line the new 110 gear should be balanced with crit and det to satisfy both healers since schlor see a better return with crit (i.e bigger shields, and their trait that increase SS when pet crit) and whm see better returns from det. So...now that we are on the same page...what exactly are we arguing about ?

[Airikay]

Conflag and dread don't target 2nd on hate list. If you're 2nd on Twintania rest assured, you'll never have to deal with these mechanics as a healer.

I didn't say they were I was saying they were attack that depended on where you are on aggro list. Example its best healers or offtank goes into conflag. Best if healer is targets by dread so want to be 3 or further down.