Why I need more retainer

[KalSki]

definitely not pay extra 2 backs for extra storage space in subscription game - the bad i was charged my subscription 2 days before notice about 3th retainer is not include in subscription fee`s... if this not change i am 100% positive to left ARR

All crafts and gathering lvl 50 (leveled with very few use of leves) - using now 2 retainers and 150 slots in Company Chest (600 slots total) and still have to passing a lot stuff to my 7 alt characters in my FC.

I prefer left now before more cheated in future. Still plan to try 2.2 content, haved pay for it... ya.

[Shioban]

definitely not pay extra 2 backs for extra storage space in subscription game - the bad i was charged my subscription 2 days before notice about 3th retainer is not include in subscription fee`s... if this not change i am 100% positive to left ARR

All crafts and gathering lvl 50 (leveled with very few use of leves) - using now 2 retainers and 150 slots in Company Chest (600 slots total) and still have to passing a lot stuff to my 7 alt characters in my FC.

I prefer left now before more cheated in future. Still plan to try 2.2 content, haved pay for it... ya.

This is an optional service.

The base subscription fee is not increasing.

[Yshnal]

This is an optional service.

The base subscription fee is not increasing.

Unlocking future classes on your character paying 2$/month to increase the cap on the armory system if you already had the current 19 unlocked could be considered an optional service too. Yet I don't think that anyone would be OK with that.

So, where do we stop the F2P in a P2P then? Everything is good as long as you don't care about the feature? How can people defend this when, if this wasn't this way, everyone would benefit? Do people really think that the cost of those two retainers is even a 0.1% of those 2$ and that they don't get enough profits from our subs to cover that? And what about a lot of the other issues that should be covered by our subs, like servers (lag and disconnections on certain days, delay, EU having its servers across the pond, etc.), that should be fixed before even daring to try to charge for other things?

Lots of questions, I know, but if I ever tried to recommend the game to anyone after we got the two retainers implemented for an additional monthy sub... I wouldn't be able to answer any of them without looking like an idiot.

[Shneibel]

Unlocking future classes on your character paying 2$/month to increase the cap on the armory system

I dont understand that, since when we pay for unlock new class on the character ?

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you cant 175 - 106 = 69 slots left
as pic show at tab 3, now add in 2 tomes from primal Em and the Ancient buckle + 10 allagan wep + shield and then 9 more leviathan weps
and tab 4 will fill with CT gear (empty space is left for a purpose).

[Shioban]

Unlocking future classes on your character paying 2$/month to increase the cap on the armory system if you already had the current 19 unlocked could be considered an optional service too. Yet I don't think that anyone would be OK with that.

Because this is an optional service.
It's not providing any advantage to the gameplay. (Un-like your strange Armoury System comparison would)
It's not gating you from any of the in-game content. (By gating I mean, "Pay $2 to access this part of the game!")

It's there as an; "Oh you want more space for items...well you're going to pay per-month for the extra data then"
Seeing as Retainers will be MUCH more valuable come 2.2 with Retainer Ventures this is one of the many reasons why you're going to pay for it.

Lots of questions, I know, but if I ever tried to recommend the game to anyone after we got the two retainers implemented for an additional monthy sub... I wouldn't be able to answer any of them without looking like an idiot.

Paying for Extra Storage is perfectly normal.
It shouldn't even come up in topic when recommending the game, how would you even bring that up.

"Wow, and you get to fight all these old game bosses, and there's all these classes and jobs. BUT YOU WON'T WANT TO PLAY, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR EXTRA STORAGE!"

If you're jaded enough to focus on the small detail of one optional service from an MMO that's completley subscription based and offers no P2W, by telling your friends "ITS A BAD GAME, THEY MAKE YOU PAY FOR MORE OPTIONAL ITEM STORAGE!!!"
You're going to get laughed at.

How can people defend this when, if this wasn't this way, everyone would benefit? Do people really think that the cost of those two retainers is even a 0.1% of those 2$ and that they don't get enough profits from our subs to cover that? And what about a lot of the other issues that should be covered by our subs, like servers (lag and disconnections on certain days, delay, EU having its servers across the pond, etc.), that should be fixed before even daring to try to charge for other things?.

1.
This is an optional service.
This is a game here to make money.
You don't HAVE to pay for it, that's why it's OPTIONAL.
Anyone who buys this won't be getting any real advantage to the game beside being able to horde more items.

2.
Your 'lag/disconnection' problems are almost always an issue between You > ISP > Montreal (Where the servers are located).
I play in Europe, I have friends playing in Australia who have no lag issues. STOP immediatley pinning the blame on Square Enix, when it's most likely a node between You > Them causing the issue.

Unless the vast majority are having connection issues, it's not their fault.

3.
Your subscription pays for;
The saved data you keep on the server. (A lot of players can eat this data up fast, hence why extra retainers will have a fee for the extra stress)
The bandwidth of data you transfer between you > server > you (This gets expensive rather quickly)
Game Development. (Patches 2.2 > 2.3 > Expansion are ALL being developed with your subscription, that's what keeps the game going)

[Yshnal]

I dont understand that, since when we pay for unlock new class on the character ?

Since never. It was an example.

Because this is an optional service.
It's not providing any advantage to the gameplay. (Un-like your strange Armoury System comparison would)
It's not gating you from any of the in-game content. (By gating I mean, "Pay $2 to access this part of the game!")

It's there as an; "Oh you want more space for items...well you're going to pay per-month for the extra data then"
Seeing as Retainers will be MUCH more valuable come 2.2 with Retainer Ventures this is one of the many reasons why you're going to pay for it.

Bold parts added for emphasis.

Also, I like how you completely ignored what I said about costs and keep repeating the "extra data" excuse.

Paying for Extra Storage is perfectly normal.
It shouldn't even come up in topic when recommending the game, how would you even bring that up.

"Wow, and you get to fight all these old game bosses, and there's all these classes and jobs. BUT YOU WON'T WANT TO PLAY, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR EXTRA STORAGE!"

If you're jaded enough to focus on the small detail of one optional service from an MMO that's completley subscription based and offers no P2W, by telling your friends "ITS A BAD GAME, THEY MAKE YOU PAY FOR MORE OPTIONAL ITEM STORAGE!!!"
You're going to get laughed at.

Most people that play P2P games are used to get more in-game storage space by paying with in-game currency. Paying real money for that is part of F2P games. Not to mention that EVEN F2P games charge you for it JUST ONCE, not monthly. So yes, defending it once they inform themselves and ask me about it would make me look stupid, not the other way around.

1.
This is an optional service.
This is a game here to make money.
You don't HAVE to pay for it, that's why it's OPTIONAL.
Anyone who buys this won't be getting any real advantage to the game beside being able to horde more items.

2.
Your 'lag/disconnection' problems are almost always an issue between You > ISP > Montreal (Where the servers are located).
I play in Europe, I have friends playing in Australia who have no lag issues. STOP immediatley pinning the blame on Square Enix, when it's most likely a node between You > Them causing the issue.

Unless the vast majority are having connection issues, it's not their fault.

3.
Your subscription pays for;
The saved data you keep on the server. (A lot of players can eat this data up fast, hence why extra retainers will have a fee for the extra stress)
The bandwidth of data you transfer between you > server > you (This gets expensive rather quickly)
Game Development. (Patches 2.2 > 2.3 > Expansion are ALL being developed with your subscription, that's what keeps the game going)

1.
It gets as optional as paying to unlock more slots on the armory system, regardless of if you like it or not.

This is a game that gets money through subscriptions. Square-Enix is not a charity, so I'm sure that they get enough profits from subs (or should, if they're competent). Charging for any other in-game feature just tells us two things: either they failed with their original pricing and don't know a thing about economics, or they're simply greedy and want to nickel and dime their subscriber base.

Even if you ignore all that, getting more retainers gets as optional as how many new items they keep introducing with each patch (and how well the armoire keeps working...). Eventually you'll feel the need for them.

People with four retainers will have more chances to get more rare items only available through ventures, and will potentially get more money than someone with just two. That over there is an advantage over people that don't pay.

2.
I don't lag a lot or get disconnected, luckily. However, I know that my connection would be better with proper EU servers, and that it would inherently help with the issues that other players are experiencing (even those that have to PAY for tunneling software). It all falls on Square-Enix decision to put the servers across the pond, specially with how they designed the client-server protocol, and players shouldn't have to go through the hurdle of losing time with their ISP and whatever for a single game that they're having problems with. Moreover, the issues on mondays affect everyone, and have yet to be resolved (somehow I doubt that they're going to be resolved with the upcoming maintenance, if not made worse).

I also love how you ignored all the Level3 issues when talking about nodes.

3.
My subscription pays for a service. They pay what they must with it, but it's not what I'm actually paying. What I'm paying is a service that should work properly and that I should feel that it's worth what I'm paying. The moment it stops feeling that way, I'll simply stop paying. So we have two things there: they have to get money, but at the same time they have to keep their customers happy (they seem to be aware about this, from their talks). And the same time, their customers have the responsability of voicing their opinions when they don't like something so that they can react in time before they start losing them.

And yes, behind the scenes, our subscription pays for everything that you mentioned. However, that doesn't mean that they can try to lock much requested features behind a pay wall in a P2P MMO and that we have to accept it disregarding the fact that they're actually making profits from said subs. Profits that should be enough to not having to pay for two retainers that would cost them 0.001$ at most. So I, and many others it seems, start to have the feeling that our subs aren't good enough for them. I'm a customer, not their friend, and I want to be treated fairly.

Also, regarding data costs, eventually keeping and transfering the same data will cost them way less than it does now. Will they reduce our subs when that happens?

Sorry about the wall of text, it's longer that I thought :3