Is anyone else really disappointed with the nerfs coming in 2.2?

[Clavaat]

Didn't they confirm that you were able to remove the Echo Buff? If so, very little content is actually getting nerfed for "hardcore" players. If you feel that someone else got it the easy way, that's your prerogative, and a fairly narcissistic way of looking at it. This is going to keep happening so that there is a very difficult set of content, and a mid-level difficulty set of content each patch, and it keeps progressing forward. Even with the Echo Buff, T5 will still be quite difficult for a lot of people.

[Merle]

Except that, now this buddy still has not learned how to ride the bicycle, have training wheels on and will expect future things to handed down to him or come with training wheels..

Mmmm you have a point. But being honest, then we should remove FATEs too, since a lot of players level up to 50 doing them (maybe less now we have duty roulette) and they have no idea how to play their job (i swear one day i saw a full ilvl 90 Monk and i was about to cry seeing his rotation...). Also, i know a lot of people who were carried to get their relics (or selling wins), so i guess no matter what you do, you will always meet someone with "training wheels".

[Versiroth]

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It's OLD content now. I90 is now entry level. You really want SE to make entry level gear difficult to obtain? If you're all "hardcore", then you should have had Turn 5 and the extreme primals on farm for months now. Why should you care that casuals get a little help completing something that you're probably becoming bored of?

Not everyone has a static and can play 40 hours a week. Casual people pay money too and SE has pretty much found the perfect balance. Hardcore people get new content and the casual people get easier access to the older content.

[Synapse]

Mmmm you have a point. But being honest, then we should remove FATEs too, since a lot of players level up to 50 doing them (maybe less now we have duty roulette) and they have no idea how to play their job (i swear one day i saw a full ilvl 90 Monk and i was about to cry seeing his rotation...). Also, i know a lot of people who were carried to get their relics (or selling wins), so i guess no matter what you do, you will always meet someone with "training wheels".

yeah just gotta live to the fact that there will be people like that.. im scared of Pick up groups...

Yeah i'm not a fan of FATE, tho i have used it, but it is not a good training for end game... i met bards in WP who didn't know ballad.

[Merle]

Yeah i'm not a fan of FATE, tho i have used it, but it is not a good training for end game... i met bards in WP who didn't know ballad.

I joined a titan hard party with 3 brds and all 3 of them casted ballad at the same time during all the battle. We were lacking dps on heart phase. When i explained how ballad work they said "aaaaah..... didn't read the description". I have all jobs and i know i'm not a god on every job, but gesh... at least i do my research, specially with my main job ><

[Synapse]

Tho i agree with what you are saying, but stop pulling facts from Roegaydens butt.!!!

I disagree with these....

it's OLD content now.

3-5 month content is "old"... it troubles me.

Not everyone has a static and can play 40 hours a week.

Turn 1-5, Primal x3, and a run of CT takes 3 hours. I have no Static(will for 6-9).

I play about 3-5 hours on Monday, rest of the day maybe 1-2 hours(sometimes don't even log in).

Im not a Hardcore gamer, maybe according to FFXIV standards, i might be, even tho i try not to lol.

[Versiroth]

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When the ilvl is bumped up to 110 and i90 (which drops in coil and the extreme primals) will be as easy as grinding for myth (same as Phil tomes), then yes, all of that content is old, entry level content. Should obtaining an i90 primal weapon be difficult when you can Zenith your relic in a day after 2.2? You have all of those things on farm.. in pugs. Good for you. Personally, I've been banging my head against titan Ex for a month because farm groups won't let you in unless you've beaten it (they'll queue for Ifrit first) and learning groups are full of people that die quickly and leave the group just as fast.

Again, bring on the echo buff I say. If it helps more groups clear the content, then I'm all for it. Especially when the content is going to be 20 ilvls below the top now (All of your awesome Myth and Coil gear is now the equivalent of Darklight... the shame!).

[Synapse]

All of your awesome Myth and Coil gear is now the equivalent of Darklight... the shame!).

I know.. i just got few of my allagan for my PLD as well....

I hope they at least make ti so we can convert or trade them in.... i still have my DL from 6 months ago hoping i can get reimbursed...

[Gormogon]

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It is old content. 2.2 is new 2.1 is old but if you want to feel bitter about these changes instead of appreciating and looking forward to all the new content that's on you.

[Versiroth]

I know.. i just got few of my allagan for my PLD as well....

I hope they at least make ti so we can convert or trade them in.... i still have my DL from 6 months ago hoping i can get reimbursed...

So.. you didn't get any use out of the DL gear then? It didn't make gaining the Allagan/myth easier? And now, you don't think having Myth/Allagan will make the new content easier to get started with?

This is an MMO and this is how MMOs work, Whether the progression is vertical or horizontal, gear that you work on getting for a while will always become useless (stat wise) eventually. And if it didn't, then no one would continue to play once they became BiS.