Thread: Is anyone else really disappointed with the nerfs coming in 2.2?

Originally Posted by Versiroth

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To expand on this, I've been playing since 1.0 and launch and I am still impressed when I see someone with an Allagan weapon. Will I be less impressed after this patch? A little. It's still going to be difficult, and the full extent of the Echo Buff doesn't hit until 6-8 whole weeks from patch. However, there is a whole new set to be impressed by.

Originally Posted by Versiroth

Whether the progression is vertical or horizontal, gear that you work on getting for a while will always become useless (stat wise) eventually. And if it didn't, then no one would continue to play once they became BiS.

Actually, this is 99% true with Vertical progression only. Horizontal tend to keep BiS gear scattered throughout new and old content to keep said content relevant through the years. Eventually, horizontal progression gear will be outdated but MUCH slower than Vertical.

Originally Posted by Tupsi

Actually, this is 99% true with Vertical progression only. Horizontal tend to keep BiS gear scattered throughout new and old content to keep said content relevant through the years. Eventually, horizontal progression gear will be outdated but MUCH slower than Vertical.

But by doing that, you make other gear useless. By that I mean, an item at lvl30 may be better than items at lvl50...but all of the items in between are useless, too. IMO, the higher level item should be the better one.

Originally Posted by Clavaat

But by doing that, you make other gear useless. By that I mean, an item at lvl30 may be better than items at lvl50...but all of the items in between are useless, too. IMO, the higher level item should be the better one.

That's an extreme example. Even in XI at best one of the 'best' items that wasn't end-game were level 59-65 that was crafted at 75 cap. Most 'BiS' was spread through content which didn't create other gear being useless, it just means until you hit end-game, you actually had something worthwhile that wouldn't become useless in the next update.

In XIV, DL was useless out the gate as Myth and coil gear already existed in terms of progression. Hell, even majority of the crafted gear in this game is worthless when dungeon drops is far superior due to added stats you can't get on crafting.

Originally Posted by Tupsi

In XIV, DL was useless out the gate as Myth and coil gear already existed in terms of progression. Hell, even majority of the crafted gear in this game is worthless when dungeon drops is far superior due to added stats you can't get on crafting.

That's an extreme example. You're lying to yourself if you say you didn't use DL for long time before having access to myth/allagan. FFXI was you get O.kotes at lvl34, you're set forever on SAM and MNK. Get AF, you're good for most content. They weren't even hard to get...just took unnecessarily long. Obviously, I'm talking pre-abyssea which is when I played.

Originally Posted by Clavaat

That's an extreme example.

So what you're saying is - You still use your DL gear for your main even after you get i90, which came out in the same patch as DL gear?

Originally Posted by Tupsi

So what you're saying is - You still use your DL gear for your main even after you get i90, which came out in the same patch as DL gear?

What are you talking about? I used DL to get i90 gear. You can only get maybe 1 piece of i90 a week from mythology, and 1 or 2 pieces if you're lucky from BC. I wasn't doing BC day 1. It sounds like you're saying, "i90 exists, i70 doesn't matter". I wasn't i90 in 1 day. I'm still not i90 on my "main" (I play 4 different roles). I don't understand your point.