Thread: Is anyone else really disappointed with the nerfs coming in 2.2?

put a party finder up and wait simple as just because joe blogs or whatever cant find 7 ppl at his time zone doesnt mean other people havent been able too hell if your having trouble then thats too bad but the fact is people will do it for the challenge and in my previous post i also mentioned how ppl solo tank and heal this crap you want a challenge and T2 is done by some statics the normal way sure not all statics do it never said they did some do opt for the easy route but those that opt for the enrage does not = the entire server
also if your party does not want to do it the hard way go find a different party its not going to kill u to do a couple of runs with the echo buff but then again u might get lucky and fight a non-buff party if all else fails and u feel completely dissapointed with the server just go swap to a hardcore server or something godknows wat server has the most hardcore ppl but mehh its your choice at the end of the day either you make a party finder and wait god knows how long for it to fill up for no buffs or you join a buff party its 1 or the other just because u dont like to wait for 7 ppl doesnt mean the option isnt there

Originally Posted by ispano

Again, I only speak from experience. When I was new to MMOs I thought like you, it didn't take long to see what happens most of the time however. It's still rather simple. Making a choice to do the content unnerfed, doesn't mean that person can. But on the other side, people who DO want to do it nerfed will have an EASY time of it. It's an illusion, and it's lopsided. I've already pointed out that I understand the pros and cons for and for not nerfing it. And i've told you some of those cons, and you just refuse to understand, so no need to continue with you.

lmao yet im not new to mmo's i dont have problems finding people for a party i dont have problems with people opt for T2 normal instead of enrage i havent tried extremes with 1 healer or tank but at some point i would like to. sure half the ppl go for the easy option BUT THAT IS NOT EVERY1 people will try for a challenge its not set in stone "EVERY1 WILL BE BUFF ABUSERS" i know i wont sure ill use it for maybe learning t6+ other than that i have no real use for it apart from garuda ex on my mnk and drg cause they arent i90 yet so cant fully take the hit of wicked wheel so you can moan all u like tbh i know for fact there are going to be players that will try things without the buff and there are players that will use the buff for almost everything and about 50% of those people are going to be the people with latency issues or still play ps3 instead of ps4

Originally Posted by Axlle10

casuals are here for the fun of being with others and being able to complete content eventually with friends as most elitist make them feel bad because they are not as skilled as them.
hardcores are here for the fun of having a challenge and pushing themselves to the limit.

I'd agree, except that casual does not necessarily mean unskilled. I hate that association. Many people that are casual now, used to be hardcore. They just don't have the time or desire to do that anymore. That doesn't mean they can't quickly learn fights, if people are willing to give a run more than one wipe before a "fu newb" rage quit by the self-proclaimed "hardcore elite." Most people that are "casuals" would be more than happy to do content at the current difficulty level if the "hardcore" would stop berating people that haven't already done a fight 100 times.

I remember when I used to play with *hardcore* players The current day *hardcore* player is an extremely watered down representation of *hardcore*.

eg: Fangblade on MapleStory going from lvl 199 to lvl 200, 20k-50k per kill to achieve 600 billion experience and it took like 6-8 weeks to get there. These days *hardcore* cry if they have to kill the same mob 100 times or if they aren't given new toys every few weeks to keep them amused, *hardcore* of the past happily killed the same mob a million times over.

*Hardcore* of the past didn't give a rip that content they had completed was nerfed to be easier for newcomers they were too busy completing the stuff they needed to complete their own goals. Frankly if nerfing old content helps get more people levelled and playing the game then it is a bonus to everyone. I won't call current players *hardcore* instead I will call you *elitists* because after all the majority of you didn't really trail blaze anything you just perfected using youtube and learning how the real trail blazers completed stuff.

I for one am happy to see the changes because I'm not one of those players who will ever be considered as *uber/elite* whatever. I am an older gamer and I don't have the eye to hand coordination a lot of the younger players who have done this stuff since kindergarten have. For me the nerfs mean I will get to enjoy the game just that little bit more and that suits me just fine. If you are in the same run as me feel free to turn your buffs off because I won't hold it against you just as you shouldn't hold it against me for having them on.

Enjoy FFXIV and stop trying to force your ideas on everybody else and let each of us play the game in a style that suits us.

I'm just disappointed with ppl's attitudes towards 2.2
So much hate for new concepts and stuff to do.
Too much theory craftting?
If i beated turn 5 with ease and with little to no effort hell, i would love to go rub it in a try hard's face and say
" loooool i beat this post patch with ease. Have you beaten T9 yet or do u still just feel special about that T5 kill u got months ago. "
Then i'll proceed to use sprint and spam cure on that guy and regen. Maybe some holys if i feel dicey! Huzzah for content nerf seriously.

Older content should become naturally easier with better gear and also through experience with the content itself not with nerfs, though that pretty much applies to all content really and that better gear will be easier to get with uncapped myth or drops from the dungeons themselves. Nerfing content that was already nerfed twice is just a sad practice, I still remember how it was actually somewhat challenging and fun doing AK on the very first two weeks of 2.0 doing it in with half AF half militia gear and even some GC gear, really whatever highest gear from 1.0 we could scrap while still farming for DL, myth AF or even a relic. The issue with AK was it being the only dungeon, out of arguably only 4 endgame dungeons not counting Coil and counting both final story dungeons, that dropped myth and substantial philosophy so everyone got understandably and rightfully tired of it, the mobs also didn't drop any gil so it was more effective gear damage wise to skip everything and have the tank die thanks to the wonky durability system.

Then there's the issue of EX primals being only 3 months old and already having an echo buff applied to them, I get some people just want to clear stuff for the story and have multiple jobs and families and it gets tiresome when someone screws up, including myself, and that content can't be cleared, but really it just feels better when there's an actual challenge behind it and it feels like you earned a victory and it wasn't just handed to you even with multiple wipes. It really isn't an elitist attitude or whatever you want to call it either, I really still don't believe there are people who are just that inexperienced with MMOs or videogames in general for content to be that much difficult or even outright impossible for them or that players are that "casual", even after seeing how bad things can get having cleared HM Titan before 2.1 using the DF only twice out of almost 100 runs and me dying on the second DF clear, and yes you can turn the buff off but honestly I don't see many people doing that once it's on except for "fun" runs with say a FC group. Though honestly that's how the game was shaping up from the very beginning with story quests having NPCs added that weren't needed or poison damage being nerfed into the ground in a certain quest that was also kinda fun before the nerf, and sadly that's how the game will keep going towards the future, if you don't like it leave, stuff, can have, etc.

sorry, did not mean to come off as saying casual =/= skill. yes i do know of several casual players who can successfully down most of the encounters with ease. What i said is the most common excuse elitists will use when a person doesnt know the rotations by heart and gets hit by one thing. Its more along the lines of elitists need to stop being so negative and realize this is just a game and that we ALL could be doing something better with our lives. But this is the internet, where the greatest boss you will ever have to defeat is other peoples egos. Nerfing this content wont change the fact that you hardcores beat it first, it wont change the fact that others get to gear up a little easier than you, and it certainly wont change the fact that when the casuals get to where you hardcores are now; you will belittle and berate them for making one mistake that seems so simple and easy to you.