Is anyone else really disappointed with the nerfs coming in 2.2?

**PinkDeadly** · 03-23-2014 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Kuponutz

Ok, so there will be a button to make the bees appear in AK? To make moves on AK bosses hit with the same intensity? For FATES to retain difficulty?

Great, I retract everything I said then.

People do AK for the challenge? What kind of example is that?

**Kuwagami** · 03-23-2014 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Kuponutz

I never said what other people should think, just how I feel. I can wish whatever I want to want/wish whatever I want. Doesn't mean they have to wish/want or even consider the same thing.

I've understood you. I just wanted to point out that your opinion has no value in other people's mind if they don't care about the buff/nerf.

As an exemple, I could talk about Titan Ex. I once thought I would be proud to defeat him. I now know I'll use the 5 wipes bonus to get him done once for all and never look back at that poorly designed fight (no fight should be THAT lag-dependent). I will have no sense of achievement. Even if I manage to beat him with no buff and no overgear. I just hate him too much to bother about him.

Other thing : AK nerfs are only here to make the runs faster for those who need it (aka relic quest). The people faring AK nowadays barely see the bees anyway, 2 imminent catastrophe at most, and never get hit by th egolem. These "nerfs" have absolutely no incidence

**jars** · 03-23-2014 07:47 AM

XI system was dumb, and honestly so are you. stop trying to deny stuff to other people because of your precious epeen. you won't be doing 1-5 anymore, and even if you are it's already going to be trivialized by higher ilevel gear that you get from 6-9.

**Tandy** · 03-23-2014 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Kuponutz

Ok, so there will be a button to make the bees appear in AK? To make moves on AK bosses hit with the same intensity? For FATES to retain difficulty?

Great, I retract everything I said then.

The situation is this. You can have all content retain its level of difficulty. Under this scenario, 6 more months or a year down the road a new player will take a LONG time to get something like the relic quest done. No one who has played for months will be doing it, and new players wont "know" the content like we do. Now you can argue that they should join a FC and get help or PF etc....but honestly every time there is an influx of new players do YOU want to go back and do that to help them again and again?

By nerfing older content as new stuff comes in, you get a situation where newer players can group together, and can still experience and see the same things we did - albeit in a simpler "once through and your done" type, thereby joining you on the new stuff.

And realistically, does it matter if someone gets a drop you got 4 months ago? You had it for months before they did, that's the reward of being a hardcore.

**Vahlnir** · 03-23-2014 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Xairos

As far as the bees are concerned. People who are so far passed AK burn the wall before the bees even pop. Missing the bees is a non-issue because no one waits for them anyway. New players wont even miss the bees because they will be removed.

AK is faceroll in it's current state. Dumbing it down more won't make a lot of difference, really. Will just get me to my next dungeon that much faster.

**Kuponutz** · 03-23-2014 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Xairos

As far as the bees are concerned. People who are so far passed AK burn the wall before the bees even pop. Missing the bees is a non-issue because no one waits for them anyway. .

I actually agree with this. But, if Wall is being killed before bees pop then there wouldn't be a need to remove them. As for new players not missing them, I'm sure they won't, doesn't mean they should get a free ride

**Kuponutz** · 03-23-2014 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by jars

XI system was dumb, and honestly so are you. stop trying to deny stuff to other people because of your precious epeen. you won't be doing 1-5 anymore, and even if you are it's already going to be trivialized by higher ilevel gear that you get from 6-9.

Actually, I will be doing 1-5 again, a lot. I enjoy it. Again, this has nothing to do with my epeen, I could care less about my epeen. Who am I trying to deny anything from? They can do exactly what everyone else who has beaten the content did. And I am sure Levi and 6-9 will kick my ass, probably for quite a while. Maybe I'm a masochist, but I like being pushed and challenged.

This is not an elementary school spelling bee, every kid should not get a trophy. You either work hard and get the reward or you don't. But giving reward to everyone trivializes the work of all participants.

EDIT: BTW, whoever suggested doing Extremes in Darklight, that sounds like a riot, time to convince some people we need to do that today, lol

**Xairos** · 03-23-2014 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Kuponutz

I actually agree with this. But, if Wall is being killed before bees pop then there wouldn't be a need to remove them. As for new players not missing them, I'm sure they won't, doesn't mean they should get a free ride

I appreciate the humor (no sarcasm), but technically it isnt a free ride. They still have to fight the wall.

Originally Posted by Kuponutz

Actually, I will be doing 1-5 again, a lot. I enjoy it. Again, this has nothing to do with my epeen, I could care less about my epeen. And I am sure Levi and 6-9 will kick my ass, probably for quite a while. Maybe I'm a masochist, but I like being pushed and challenged.

But here's the thing, when you work up the idea to go back to old content, unless you put on some DL or myth gear, then you will be overgeared for the content. I am over geared for Titan HM, but guess what? I can still get killed on that fight. I still have to obey the rules of the mechanics and the fight. Even with a 10% buff I imagine people will still die. And thus, it will still be challenging to "them".

Perception is king.

Originally Posted by Almalexia

I was going to say, CoP went through the same adjustments we're seeing now. But with CoP, the difficulty was reduced after many complaints and after many months--some adjustments were many years--following CoP's release. In the case of FFXIV, difficulty reduction was planned from the start.

But you have to remember, Time for development in reaction to user comments is much much faster in todays gaming market. Back in the FFXI days it took month before word got to the Japanese Players, and then on to the Japanese Developers. Today it's a million times faster.

Perception is king.

**Almalexia** · 03-23-2014 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by Fawkes

People complained every time CoP was made easier too, because they failed to understand that hard content gets harder on it's own over time by nature of all the good players not wanting to do it anymore, and especially not with new or inexperienced players.

I was going to say, CoP went through the same adjustments we're seeing now. But with CoP, the difficulty was reduced after many complaints and after many months--some adjustments were many years--following CoP's release. In the case of FFXIV, difficulty reduction was planned from the start.

**Delorean** · 03-23-2014 07:57 AM

Why does someone killing something and getting something you got, but more easily, mean that your time was wasted? When I think about wasted time, I think about the months that FCs spent on Twintania for just the right amount of RNG or 15 minutes of adequate execution.

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