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    Fawkes Macleod
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sessurea View Post
    I'm really quite curious, how difficult was FFxi? I don't consider "grind" to be a part of "difficult" btw.
    CoP was hard. And not just in the typical FFXI way of being extremely time consuming. Although it was also that.

    People complained every time CoP was made easier too, because they failed to understand that hard content gets harder on it's own over time by nature of all the good players not wanting to do it anymore, and especially not with new or inexperienced players.
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    Almalexia Indoril
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    People complained every time CoP was made easier too, because they failed to understand that hard content gets harder on it's own over time by nature of all the good players not wanting to do it anymore, and especially not with new or inexperienced players.
    I was going to say, CoP went through the same adjustments we're seeing now. But with CoP, the difficulty was reduced after many complaints and after many months--some adjustments were many years--following CoP's release. In the case of FFXIV, difficulty reduction was planned from the start.
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    Yukihko Kuroshima
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuponutz View Post
    Most players coming from XI to XIV are looking for a similar experience.
    Welcome to reality: this is not XI, it is XIV...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackoutz View Post
    Naja ich hab einfach gemerkt, dass man mit Mut und Freundlichkeit viel weiter kommt und den Menschen eine Freude macht :3
    Weißt du, wenn wir alle an einem Strang hier im Forum ziehen, dann kommen wir einfach so viel weiter und stärken die gesammte Community <3

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    Lufie Newleaf
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    Well anyone who has the attitude to wait for a nerf is not looking for a challenge. If you really want a challenge you will seek the most difficult content like Leviathan Extreme and Second Coil, even knowing that slower players will be entitled to the same rewards months later, purely for the thrill of the challenge.
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    Leyna Crosse
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    I'm not disappointed at all. In fact I don't consider this a nerf at all. It is a BUFF. Not a nerf. They arent TAKING AWAY from the game. They are adding to it... Besides, we've had ample time to play around with the first 5 turns of coil and primals and what have you. If you do consider this a nerf, it doesnt seem any different than things they did in XI in the past. They made CoP easier or instance so new players could clear the content because everyone had done it already and moved on. Obviously SE feels the time is right to help new players get caught up.
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    XI system was dumb, and honestly so are you. stop trying to deny stuff to other people because of your precious epeen. you won't be doing 1-5 anymore, and even if you are it's already going to be trivialized by higher ilevel gear that you get from 6-9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jars View Post
    XI system was dumb, and honestly so are you. stop trying to deny stuff to other people because of your precious epeen. you won't be doing 1-5 anymore, and even if you are it's already going to be trivialized by higher ilevel gear that you get from 6-9.
    Actually, I will be doing 1-5 again, a lot. I enjoy it. Again, this has nothing to do with my epeen, I could care less about my epeen. Who am I trying to deny anything from? They can do exactly what everyone else who has beaten the content did. And I am sure Levi and 6-9 will kick my ass, probably for quite a while. Maybe I'm a masochist, but I like being pushed and challenged.

    This is not an elementary school spelling bee, every kid should not get a trophy. You either work hard and get the reward or you don't. But giving reward to everyone trivializes the work of all participants.

    EDIT: BTW, whoever suggested doing Extremes in Darklight, that sounds like a riot, time to convince some people we need to do that today, lol
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    Last edited by Kuponutz; 03-23-2014 at 07:57 AM.

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    Biuma Arvinda
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    You get bragging rights if you have completed difficult content before it gets nerfed.

    New content usually raises the bar somehow and gives you new bragging rights if you stay on top of it.

    Even if old content gets nerfed and people catch up to you and subsequently surpass you, they will never have the bragging rights of having been there, done that with all the pre-nerfed content.
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    Fynlar Eira
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    Nope. The nerfs are their way of saying "you guys are STILL trying to get this shit done? we're rolling out some new stuff, stop beating your heads on the old wall and come try out our new wall! "

    And I'm pretty tired of trying to get some of this shit done. I don't even think the buffs will help with some of this stuff (looking primarily at things like Titan) but it's better than nothing.

    Everything in MMOs gets nerfed eventually, whether that's designer choice, or whether it just happens due to people getting less ignorant or better gear.
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    Last edited by Fynlar; 03-23-2014 at 10:40 AM.

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    Yukihko Kuroshima
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    Somehow this whole "hardcore" thing reminds me of "Wing Commander" and the backstory about the Pilgrims

    You know... exploring the unknown IS a challenge, but please do not make the same mistake and forget your roots! Everyone was once weak and you need 7 others for content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackoutz View Post
    Naja ich hab einfach gemerkt, dass man mit Mut und Freundlichkeit viel weiter kommt und den Menschen eine Freude macht :3
    Weißt du, wenn wir alle an einem Strang hier im Forum ziehen, dann kommen wir einfach so viel weiter und stärken die gesammte Community <3

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