Why I don't like the idea of paying for extra retainers.

[Merle]

They were going to re-make the game to attempt to regain lost profits and salavage their reputation no matter what. This delusion that some legacy players have that they are the only reason 2.0 exists is ridiculous and an illusion to make themselves feel more important.

I'm not gonna say legacy players are "the only reason", but is truth that we wouldn't have 2.0 if legacy players hadn't paid. On January 2012 Yoshida said that they couldn't afford to design/implement 2.0 for free anymore and because of that they had to charge for 1.0 (with a smaller fee as compensation). So yeah, is not the only reason, but without legacy players paying for 1.0 we wouldn't have 2.0

[ReplicaX]

FFXI was probably more crucial to FFXIV so I thank that great game.

I'd like to think that 10 years of my subscription to XI, my sub to XIV 1.0 and now ARR has been helping in some way, yes. I'm not gonna use my legacy status as some sort of boast and I never have. My longevity with SE's MMOs doesn't give me anymore entitlement than a new player and I feel it shouldn't.

The ppl that are and the ppl carry a grudge against legacy are on the same level imo. Counter-productive.

[Seif]

First it's the retainers then they monetize the fantasia then they add X and do you know what you have then.

A friggin' subscription based MMO with a cash shop in it!!!

In no way is that at all acceptable. They are using YOUR sub money, not to add content but to create more stuff for you to buy.
That's called stealing.

[MeiUshu]

Prices are fixed, they are set at a given point in time with some currency exchange at that time to have the base price set, then you add to those taxes, generally the highest zone will set the standard, here where I live our VAT is only 7.5% but we pay the same price then someone that lives in France nearly 13euros per month, then to it you add the cost of use, a country will have higher price if less player play the game, and once more the one that uses the less will set the standard for the others, then shipping cost and seller margin and the rest , and you reach the finaly purchase price, which then says for some is expensive based on their cost of living in their country and others is cheap based on the cost of living in their country. For me Eur 13 isnt much, isnt even the cost of a lunch, barely a sandwich. For someone living in Spain, it will be very costly, becasue with EUR 13 they buy a full meal with dessert included. So comparing prices from a country with another is just impossible. Mei

[Felis]

without Legacy (ie. people paying for 1.0) there would be no 2.0 so actually you can say thank you to us

Hmm, no
Without payment there would have not be a 1.20-1.23 and no legacy accounts, but ARR would be still there.
They started the payment to keep 1.0 running until the planned end.

[Kat_Manx]

First it's the retainers then they monetize the fantasia then they add X and do you know what you have then.

A friggin' subscription based MMO with a cash shop in it!!!

In no way is that at all acceptable. They are using YOUR sub money, not to add content but to create more stuff for you to buy.
That's called stealing.

Okay I can understand the negativity towards selling retainers if I try really hard, but selling Fantasia potions or possibly Namingway cards has NO NEGATIVE EFFECTS on anyone. Other games would not let you change appearance or name at any time whatsoever, so if you could pay for it to do it if you REALLY want to, that would be great. It in no way gives anyone any edge, it's purely aesthetic.

[Merle]

but selling Fantasia potions or possibly Namingway cards has NO NEGATIVE EFFECTS on anyone.

Not quite. Here is an example of worst case: i'm a dick and i steal items from my FC and leave. Use a fantasia, use a namigway card and bam, "new character", i can join the fc and be a dick again.

Fantasia itself may be "dangerous" since it changes the look of your character, but you can be recognized by your name. If you can change your name too.....

[Kat_Manx]

Not quite. Here is an example of worst case: i'm a dick and i steal items from my FC and leave. Use a fantasia, use a namigway card and bam, "new character", i can join the fc and be a dick again.

Fantasia itself may be "dangerous" since it changes the look of your character, but you can be recognized by your name. If you can change your name too.....

Have some sort of ID code tied to a character that you can find with search and also block and ban from things.

[Merle]

Have some sort of ID code tied to a character that you can find with search and also block and ban from things.

(I bet there is one already). I know, i was trying to say these kind of items may be dangerous without control/security. If we have control/security, no prob :3

[Starlord]

Not quite. Here is an example of worst case: i'm a dick and i steal items from my FC and leave. Use a fantasia, use a namigway card and bam, "new character", i can join the fc and be a dick again.

Fantasia itself may be "dangerous" since it changes the look of your character, but you can be recognized by your name. If you can change your name too.....

Fantasia will probably cost 15 bucks considering you can change your WHOLE appearance. Namingway will probably not be implemented. Either way I am unsure who would pay 15 bucks just to be a dick :/. You can only do that to an FC if he is a high ranking officer. ( another words has to work his/her way up before even attempting to be a "dick".

If the FC does the right protocol, chances of this happening are slim.