Why I don't like the idea of paying for extra retainers.

[Eriatarka12]

Not quite. Here is an example of worst case: i'm a dick and i steal items from my FC and leave. Use a fantasia, use a namigway card and bam, "new character", i can join the fc and be a dick again.

Fantasia itself may be "dangerous" since it changes the look of your character, but you can be recognized by your name. If you can change your name too.....

Or.. the person who leads your FC could actually sit down and take the time to read all about the permissions he/she has and assign them appropriately. That's what I did. Everyone has full access in my FC except to withdraw gil, but ever since we got our house we don't have gil in the bank anymore. What exactly can people steal in this game that is so valuable? A few stacks of HQ Snurble Tufts?

[ReplicaX]

First it's the retainers then they monetize the fantasia then they add X and do you know what you have then.

A friggin' subscription based MMO with a cash shop in it!!!

Monetize what? It was requested by players and they wanted to pay.

Did you miss the 152 page thread on the subject?

Sell Fantasia of Mogstation

[Velo_Vandore]

Fantasia will probably cost 15 bucks considering you can change your WHOLE appearance. Namingway will probably not be implemented. Either way I am unsure who would pay 15 bucks just to be a dick :/. You can only do that to an FC if he is a high ranking officer. ( another words has to work his/her way up before even attempting to be a "dick".

If the FC does the right protocol, chances of this happening are slim.

Also, the Free Company could probably try reporting the person (not sure if taking items from FC chest and leaving is reportable?), and the GM would surely be able to find the person by their old character name.

btw - I want Namingway!! *_* just for a slight change to surname, but I can see it would be a pain to keep track of people if they keep changing names, so I'm maybe against that overall.

Anyway, let's stay on topic!! :P

[Clavaat]

2. Another point a lot of players make is that in FFXI people paid extra all the time for the storage space in the form of mules. I would argue that was because the subscription model was set up with that in mind. Here the "Standard" subscription includes 8 characters which is plenty of storage and includes 16 retainers in total (once you unlock them for every character). But there is no easy way to transfer these items between characters without some middleman or FC chest. We're basically being asked to pay a $2 monthly convenience fee to save us from having to transfer items back and fourth between our characters.

I think you have the wrong idea about the fees here. First of all, the "Standard" fee is not $15. People need to stop saying this. It's $12 (Legacy $10). The game actively encourages you not to have more than 1 character. Which is fine, you can have every job on 1 character. If you really feel you need the extra storage, they are offering you 2 more retainers for $2 a month which means $12-$14, still below your "Standard". I don't know why you would need 16 retainers for $3/month vs 2 for $2. The inventory is more manageable than you give it credit for being.

[Seif]

You are missing the point. The truth is in just a few months this game will have a working cash shop with at least 3 products already confirmed. This will just continue meanwhile all these things that could have been truly meaningful quest rewards are now only for those who pay even more than just a sub.

Meanwhile the only thing that the players are rewarded is just mounts and +1 gear.

[Yshnal]

I think you have the wrong idea about the fees here. First of all, the "Standard" fee is not $15. People need to stop saying this. It's $12 (Legacy $10). The game actively encourages you not to have more than 1 character. Which is fine, you can have every job on 1 character. If you really feel you need the extra storage, they are offering you 2 more retainers for $2 a month which means $12-$14, still below your "Standard". I don't know why you would need 16 retainers for $3/month vs 2 for $2. The inventory is more manageable than you give it credit for being.

The standard fee *is* the one that costs 15$. It's named "standard" and has what a sub in almost any other P2P game -and even some B2P/F2P- would give you (that is, more than one character per server). Besides being able to buy extra storage with in-game currency, of course.

The cheaper one (13$) has a discount because it's below the usual standards that you find in other games. This game doesn't exist in a void, it has competence.

[Merciless]

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Someone already replied on how SE themselves name the $15 plan the standard subscription tier so I'll leave that alone.

As I said I don't care about this from an inventory space standpoint. I'm more concerned about the possibility of retainer ventures and players who buy this option having an advantage on those that don't.

One more note for those claiming that someone with two accounts will have an advantage over players with one account. Of course they will! But for all intents and purposes that would be considered two completely separate players. There is no advantage if you want to pay for 2 or 3 or 4 accounts because you are simply treated as that many different users at that point. It's no different then sharing items and loot with a good friend, except you are doing it with yourself. But if you let one of those accounts pay more per month to gain an advantage for one of those characters then I would have an issue.

[ReplicaX]

You are missing the point.

No, I'm not missing it at all.

Pre-Planned before Launch Fees I knew were coming.

• Sub Fees
• Additional/Optional Retainers when Venture system is ready to launch.

Until I personally see how much Ventures impact the game. I am in a holding pattern on this.

Player Demand from these forums since beta:

• Cash Shop Threads (regarding Vanity and other items not considered PTW)
• Purchasable Vial of Fantasia via Mog Station

If you didn't expect a Cash Shop outcome, idk what to tell you honestly.

P2P with Non-PTW Cash Shops is already in the Industry and has been.
(Thank player demand)

You can now thank Blizzard for introducing a P2P with PTW model in the Industry.
(We will see more of it, if player demand is there.)

If the game falls under a true P2P with PTW. I'm canceling, period.

[Merciless]

Just because a feature was planned a long time ago doesn't mean it's a good feature that we have to like. If an item you buy from a cash shop has any impact on the actual gameplay or economy of a game I will be against it.

[Doo]

I probably wouldn't have as much items if I didn't constantly get undercut every time I put something up for sale.