Why I don't like the idea of paying for extra retainers.

[Merciless]

without Legacy (ie. people paying for 1.0) there would be no 2.0 so actually you can say thank you to us

2.0 is a as different of a game as FFXI in my opinion. I don't like having planned options for 1.0 being assumed to be implemented in this current incarnation of the game.

[Tiraelina]

So any feature that was planned for 1.0 but never launched is automatically horrible? Guess we should be complaining about Ventures in the first place. And forget about Musketeer, it must mean the end of the game as we know it if they ever get around to implementing that!

This is why using logical fallacies is a moronic thing to do.

Retainers being charged for was planned early on and then indefinitely put on hold until now. 1.0 also had a much smaller player base to be vocal about the opposition of buyable advantages.

[Djeserit]

This is why using logical fallacies is a moronic thing to do.

Retainers being charged for was planned early on and then indefinitely put on hold until now. 1.0 also had a much smaller player base to be vocal about the opposition of buyable advantages.

As I've explained plenty of times now. Unless the success rate on the top tier "exclusive" venture items is 1%, then the advantage will only last a month or two.

At the same time, if the success rates are that low, you are also throwing your money away because more often than not you get nothing for those extra 2 retainers.

Edit: Either way, there's been enough balking at the idea on the forums in the last 3 days that, even if they did have plans to monetize other items/services, they sure as hell won't do it now. You would have been better served to speak up against the people who rallied for purchasable fantasia, though.

[Roris]

Charging for retainers was planned for the original 1.0 including a leveling system that went unused yes, but they did double the previously announced fee and they only increased their inventory by 25 slots in ARR, so not really enough to justify the extra buck. The main issue here is we can't mail items to alts and this makes the RMT excuse come out as dishonest to try and hide a cash grab, there's also the issue retainer levels reset each time you change their classes so you can't really cover all 4 venture types on a single character, although technically this won't be a major issue if the rare items are tradable instead of U/U with the help of a trusty FC bank even with the inconvenience of leveling an alt, at least for people with multiple alt slots but it'll also be an issue for people who only pay for one character. IIRC there was some sort of plan for a mega retainer to transfer items between multiple characters in a server, though it might have misinterpreted, again it was debunked with the good old RMT excuse, even though they're still running around shouting and telling every day.

[Wildsprite]

personally I see this as just another excuse for them not to allow us to add our alts to our own friends list so we can use them as mules ~rolls eyes~
Yoshi-P mentioned them looking into allowing us to add our alts to our friends list once maybe twice then never again.
now it looks like the answer is.
what? you want to friend your alts? never gonna happen

without Legacy (ie. people paying for 1.0) there would be no 2.0 so actually you can say thank you to us

hate to burst your bubble but they planned 2.0 long before they returned 1.0 to a pay to play system. they were using that extra money to put into the planning for 2.0 sure but it was not required, they already had a budget for it.

As for those of you that think features planned for 1.0 making it into 2.0 is bad. Hate to tell you this but they will add features and content they feel is still relevant
do I like the idea of pay by the month retainers? hell no. I think its a bad idea but once SE has their minds made up to attempt something they will do it regardless of what anyone else thinks(I.E. taking 1.0 out of beta years before it was ready, thus making 2.0 needed for them to save face)

[Doo]

without Legacy (ie. people paying for 1.0) there would be no 2.0 so actually you can say thank you to us

You guys would of been playing it regardless. FFXI was probably more crucial to FFXIV so I thank that great game.

[Eriatarka12]

without Legacy (ie. people paying for 1.0) there would be no 2.0 so actually you can say thank you to us

This is what legacy players actually believe.

[saber_alter]

This is what legacy players actually believe.

its a half truth. I'm sure quite a few ideas that 1.0 players came up with have made it into the game.

however, dropping dalamud onto eorzea was ultimately square's decision alone.

[Eriatarka12]

its a half truth. I'm sure quite a few ideas that 1.0 players came up with have made it into the game.

however, dropping dalamud onto eorzea was ultimately square's decision alone.

They were going to re-make the game to attempt to regain lost profits and salavage their reputation no matter what. This delusion that some legacy players have that they are the only reason 2.0 exists is ridiculous and an illusion to make themselves feel more important.

[Mandudez]

They were going to re-make the game to attempt to regain lost profits and salavage their reputation no matter what. This delusion that some legacy players have that they are the only reason 2.0 exists is ridiculous and an illusion to make themselves feel more important.

So we have the legacy players to thank for the monthly charge for extra retainers by their logic.