Crafting Needs a Place in Endgame Raiding

[Versiroth]

If some PF parties are already excluding you, and will continue to exclude you with or without crafter involvement, then it is not us that is the problem. So why are we being blamed? Curtailing crafting gameplay will not lower pf expectations , or make people not be jerks.

So, because people already do it, we should add in additional reasons? All so crafters can make gil? Sorry, but you making gil isn't worth gating content even more than it already is. What you're suggesting would make the community worse all to make crafters happy. Not a good trade off.

[Speeral]

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You're kidding... right? Most people in PF groups already ask for people to out level the duty by upwards of 10 ilvls. Heck, I see Titan HM groups asking for ilvl 75+ all the time. You really think that a turn 9 group won't care if you haven't melded all of your Materia slots?

As someone who played WOW for over 5 years, trust me... all adding things like that to end game does is give elitists one more reason to exclude people from content.

nope dead serious never had an issue with fc or in pf. I also always have the option to make own groups or df. Also say t5 as an example I have been trying since i78 now my highest is 85 on blm. So yeah...

[Versiroth]

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nope dead serious never had an issue with fc or in pf. I also always have the option to make own groups or df. Also say t5 as an example I have been trying since i78 now my highest is 85 on blm. So yeah...

The point still stands. Adding things like this to end game does nothing to help the community or game as a whole. There are plenty of ways to make crafters relevant. Such as giving them exclusive rights to certain gear used for glamours. Or maybe mounts and minions of some sort. Those are things that you could make money from that doesn't impact the meat and potatoes of the game. But, I'm highly against inserting mandatory crafting into end game content... for reasons I've already stated.

Who asked for that... crafter are asking to be included.

You are included. i90 gear just isn't good enough for you it seems.

[Kamahil]

Crafters don't need more ways to make money. They have enough ways. Why make this a buy gear to win game?

[Speeral]

Crafters don't need more ways to make money. They have enough ways. Why make this a buy gear to win game?

Who asked for that... crafter are asking to be included, we already make money off lazy people in one way or another.. Plus non crafters have ways to make money surprise they also have to enter the market somehow...

to win this game you need to have cursery understanding of mechanics.. not get 90k'd, and just play it. Nothing here is ridiculously hard.

Plus this is an MMO its a no win game until the servers one day shut down...

[Wolf_Gang]

No thanks I don't want to buy my gear. Nor do I want other people to buy their way to BiS.

Earn it.

[Wolf_Gang]

Every single MMO ever created that had an endgame crafting reliance became detrimental to both the game and the economy.

Crafters in MMOs are like Wallstreet businessmen, they don't care if they completely destroy the game, they just want to make money.

[Sunarie]

Ok, what if they made it to where you could craft ilvl 100 items, but it required a special skill that had a 7 day reset timer. So, you could craft one single piece of ilvl 100 gear per week. Would you be ok with that?

I would be fine with that, I would also be fine with an item dropping from a raid or dungeon that's needed to craft an item and that thing being untradeable.

[SchalaZeal]

I would be fine with that, I would also be fine with an item dropping from a raid or dungeon that's needed to craft an item and that thing being untradeable.

If the item drops from new-coil (T6-9) we effectively have a one-week-lockout item (provided you can even go T6 right off, not everyone will). It could also be bought with Soldiery tomes and I'd be fine with it. And make it untradable. Possibly crafted in something also untradable, at i100. Melding it would no doubt cost millions if its anything like melding Vanya is (100k+ materias with 30% chance for your 3rd slot, 25% for the 4th and 15% for the 5th - of course you also pay the fails).

[Sunarie]

If the item drops from new-coil (T6-9) we effectively have a one-week-lockout item (provided you can even go T6 right off, not everyone will). It could also be bought with Soldiery tomes and I'd be fine with it. *snip cause limit*

Either way.. someone suggested earlier (it may have ever been you) a system similar to what we have for melding. Where you can commission someone to make something for you using mats in your inventory. Those mats could certainly be attained either by tome buying or raiding, and wouldn't be tradeable.. so the person getting it would -have- to have done the content. There are solutions that could work, and obviously not everything is perfect.. but there are a few with fingers in their ears that just seem to hate crafting in general.