I hate the idea of Echo Buff. It should be part of some easy server not whole game.

[Erepio]

I also am not sure about this mechanic at all. I hope what we see isn't total easy mode.

considering that ppl will be running content in full ilvl90 and prolly ilvl100/105 armor its already easy mode...the echo is there ensure that ppl will clear the content even faster so they can get to the next tier...im pretty sure no1 is gonna run coil for gear when u can just rolfstomp stuff like WP and AK in less time, only thing ppl will do is t5 for the weap

[Kirosuu]

if i may ask, arent those so call elitist/hardcore do premade group?why cant you guys agree when recruiting? or you guys just love force your rule when queue with random player?
and you guys should know that casual player never bother with your achivement/gear

considering that ppl will be running content in full ilvl90 and prolly ilvl100/105 armor its already easy mode...the echo is there ensure that ppl will clear the content even faster so they can get to the next tier...im pretty sure no1 is gonna run coil for gear when u can just rolfstomp stuff like WP and AK in less time, only thing ppl will do is t5 for the weap

this also true to those so call want more challenge, get op gear and do low level content, wow such challenge. these hardcore must be proud

[Erepio]

this also true to those so call want more challenge, get op gear and do low level content, wow such challenge. these hardcore must be proud

its not just for 2.2.....even now i dont see ppl doing ultima hm in ilvl61 or titan hm in ilvl58 or chance their gear to ilvl70+relic to do t1 or do t2 noramlly instead of enrage

and yet ppl QQ about the echo buff which u can freaking TURN OFF if u dont want it......and before going "i want to turn it but what about the other 7" how about U start a freaking PF grp thats what is there for

[kukurumei]

It's the path of lesser evil. How many dramas over a simple Titan HM run? How many pay-gil-to-carries are there for extremes?

Newest content will never be echo, so there's no point arguing that. Older-hard content like coil1-5 have a timer on them. 2 weeks for 10%. and then 2 weeks again.

It let's people catch up and equalize the playing field. It also minimizes all forms of elitism, parsing, and pay to wins.

The only one frankly who should be mad about it is the developers since it makes them essentially put out content faster. And that's a win in my books.

[Loony_BoB]

I'm not that bothered about the general echo buff thing, but I will say - and I say this as someone who hasn't bothered touching Coil because I don't like endgame that much - that endgame specialists should still have something to show for themselves. In this case, I think it would be best to give achievements for "Beating ______ without use of the echo."

[KupoNuts]

I think it would be best to give achievements for "Beating ______ without use of the echo."

My thoughts exactly. If Yoshi wants to follow WoW model so much as he stated, then there should be separate achievements for defeating a raid with and without echo, so both groups of players can feel like they accomplished something.

[Emtron]

My thoughts exactly. If Yoshi wants to follow WoW model so much as he stated, then there should be separate achievements for defeating a raid with and without echo, so both groups of players can feel like they accomplished something.

Love your quote so topical as well.

[Gormogon]

Claims to be hardcore. Doesn't do the content with minimal gear requirements. Yeah you ain't fooling me.

[BlueMage]

Claims to be hardcore. Doesn't do the content with minimal gear requirements. Yeah you ain't fooling me.

The definitions in dumb forum politics generally come down to "casual = bad player/idiot" and "hardcore/elitist = scumbag no-lifer".

Kind of like how twisted words like "liberal" and "conservative" have become in IRL politics.