I hate the idea of Echo Buff. It should be part of some easy server not whole game.

[Bakabridget]

After the patch I'll need to find a static group or manage to convince a bunch of random people in DF to click off their buffs. I know neither is going to happen. What's left for me? I was willing to compromise. I wasn't happy about the echo buff being in at all but I was willing to tolerate it cause I thought it was just to help people get to content like helping them through hms so they can see coil. But then I saw them adding it to Extremes. Isn't that too far? Why do they need to get through extremes? The only content extremes unlock are more extremes and extreme primals are only just more difficult versions of the same fight.

They've gone way too far with the echo buff on this...

I imagine if I click off the echo buff, I'll probably get kicked out of groups for being a "troll", and even if I don't there's still 7 other people with it making the fight still easy.

[ExKage]

But then I saw them adding it to Extremes. Isn't that too far? Why do they need to get through extremes? The only content extremes unlock are more extremes and extreme primals are only just more difficult versions of the same fight.

It's been mentioned before that they plan on including Extremes to unlock more than just more extremes. With the progression of newer content and main story it was implied that extremes would be included, hence the echo. They don't want people stalled on main story content. Which is also why they are doing echo with Coil 1

[Velox]

After the patch I'll need to find a static group or manage to convince a bunch of random people in DF to click off their buffs.

You'd need to find a static group anyway. I highly doubt a random party thrown together in the DF can beat t4 or t5, even with the Echo. Even though the EX primals are in the DF now, you don't see DF parties actually beating them. Coil will be no different. DF it for practice, but if you want to seriously have a chance you will need an organized group. The Echo will NOT remove the unforgiving mechanics of the fights (it will just make some recovery easier if someone DOES mess up).

[Kirosuu]

You'd need to find a static group anyway. I highly doubt a random party thrown together in the DF can beat t4 or t5, even with the Echo. Even though the EX primals are in the DF now, you don't see DF parties actually beating them. Coil will be no different. DF it for practice, but if you want to seriously have a chance you will need an organized group. The Echo will NOT remove the unforgiving mechanics of the fights (it will just make some recovery easier if someone DOES mess up).

- The Binding Coil of Bahamut
The weekly entrance restriction on entering all five turns of the Binding Coil of Bahamut has been abolished.
Players may now proceed directly to any turn of the Binding Coil of Bahamut.
Players may now enter the Binding Coil of Bahamut via the Duty Finder with a full party.


binding coil in df need full premade party anyway

[Velox]

- The Binding Coil of Bahamut
The weekly entrance restriction on entering all five turns of the Binding Coil of Bahamut has been abolished.
Players may now proceed directly to any turn of the Binding Coil of Bahamut.
Players may now enter the Binding Coil of Bahamut via the Duty Finder with a full party.


binding coil in df need full premade party anyway

Ah, missed that last part in the notes it seems. Kinda odd then that they'd nerf High Voltage. I assumed the nerf was because DF could possibly throw together a party with no way to silence them, thus warranting a change to the mechanic to make it survivable. If it still REQUIRES a pre-made, the nerf was uncalled for.

[rhemi1]

Ah, missed that last part in the notes it seems. Kinda odd then that they'd nerf High Voltage. I assumed the nerf was because DF could possibly throw together a party with no way to silence them, thus warranting a change to the mechanic to make it survivable. If it still REQUIRES a pre-made, the nerf was uncalled for.

That person failed to mention the fact that 2 weeks after 2.2 releases, they're allowing you to queue for 1-5 solo.

[Djeserit]

Ah, missed that last part in the notes it seems. Kinda odd then that they'd nerf High Voltage. I assumed the nerf was because DF could possibly throw together a party with no way to silence them, thus warranting a change to the mechanic to make it survivable. If it still REQUIRES a pre-made, the nerf was uncalled for.

Only requires premade for first 2 weeks. 1st level of echo buff also opens up solo DF queues for it.

Ah, well I'm glad the nerf is justifiable then. The Knights on turn 4 are still going to suck if you end up with 4 black mages xD

1st tier of echo is also reducing reflected damage on the knights. It'll still be there but not as deadly.

[Velox]

That person failed to mention the fact that 2 weeks after 2.2 releases, they're allowing you to queue for 1-5 solo.

Only requires premade for first 2 weeks. 1st level of echo buff also opens up solo DF queues for it.

Ah, well I'm glad the nerf is justifiable then. The Knights on turn 4 are still going to suck if you end up with 4 black mages xD