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    I hate the idea of Echo Buff. It should be part of some easy server not whole game.

    For me, most of the fun I have in videogames comes from the challenge required to beat stuff. When things are made easier they become boring The primal fights are one of my favorite fights. Theyre great: I love the look of the stages, the primals themselves, the battle music, the strategy involved to beat them. But the reason I enjoy them so much is because they are DIFFICULT.

    Something like this should be part of some easy mode server, and not applied to everyone in the whole damned game.

    If this buff can be applied to a character after 3 minutes of combat, whats to stop people from synchronizing their watches and saying "okay 3 minutes are up everyone wipe" and doing this 5 times?

    If any devs are reading this please pass this on to someone who can remove the damned experience fizzling, boredom inducing idea of the echo buff.
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    Zlatan Tarrant
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    hopefully you can toggle it off like regen/protect.

    I haven't done T5 yet so I really would like a full experience.

    Perhaps echo in DF only? IDRK how to have a compromise with this one :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan View Post
    hopefully you can toggle it off like regen/protect.

    I haven't done T5 yet so I really would like a full experience.

    Perhaps echo in DF only? IDRK how to have a compromise with this one :/
    If you haven't already done it you never will, the original experience means i90 gear at maximum and coming in with higher gear is similar to having the Echo buff
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    you can toggle it, just like you can when it is applied during story instances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saber_alter View Post
    you can toggle it, just like you can when it is applied during story instances.
    Let's be real, how many people choose to do the normal method for turn 2 rather than the enrage method? How likely is it for people not to take the route with the least amount of resistance which by the way people say they choose to do rather than "the archaic way of old school mmorpgs."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    Let's be real, how many people choose to do the normal method for turn 2 rather than the enrage method? How likely is it for people not to take the route with the least amount of resistance which by the way people say they choose to do rather than "the archaic way of old school mmorpgs."
    Pretty much this. Sooner or later your ganna hear people begging SE to make the echo buff permanent because of the "I don't got time for your sh*t" mentality and all the "this fight isn't challenging, it's just a fracking script, go play Dark Souls or something!" reasoning.
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    Nikori Periyaha
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    If this buff can be applied to a character after 3 minutes of combat, whats to stop people from synchronizing their watches and saying "okay 3 minutes are up everyone wipe" and doing this 5 times?
    I'm not gonna read through these 11 pages, because I'm just on my lunch break from work and don't have much time. But they DID say that players "NEED to try their best" during the first 3 minutes, which suggests that if players just stand idle for 3 minutes and then wipe just so they can receive their buffs, not a damn thing will happen when the try a 2nd time... ...no buffs for them. At least, that's what I gathered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    Let's be real, how many people choose to do the normal method for turn 2 rather than the enrage method? How likely is it for people not to take the route with the least amount of resistance which by the way people say they choose to do rather than "the archaic way of old school mmorpgs."
    My FC and I do (did) because we only had 2 healers at 50 at the time.

    The semi-pug that I run with now did enrage. Now, we choose which one we are going to do. Its really not that hard to remember a number order.

    as to your remark about archaic old school mmorpgs. the gripe with the old school way (at least IMO and in my best understanding) was the useless timesink that a lot of stuff was circa 2000-2005. A lot of people don't want to do that any more, but that same group of people don't necessarily shy away from a challenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    Let's be real, how many people choose to do the normal method for turn 2 rather than the enrage method? How likely is it for people not to take the route with the least amount of resistance which by the way people say they choose to do rather than "the archaic way of old school mmorpgs."
    the path of least resistance is always accounted for. its an option, like everything in this game.
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    Velo'a Nharoz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    Let's be real, how many people choose to do the normal method for turn 2 rather than the enrage method? How likely is it for people not to take the route with the least amount of resistance which by the way people say they choose to do rather than "the archaic way of old school mmorpgs."
    My group still does it the original way. Yes, it's not the quickest, but from a moral standpoint we know it makes us better players, so we bite the bullet to put the extra work in. It's mostly just for self-satisfaction. I do agree though, the majority of the playerbase (of MMOs in general) want the safest, easiest route possible to maximize gains while minimizing work.
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