I hate the idea of Echo Buff. It should be part of some easy server not whole game.

[Sessurea]

It will be very positive for learning groups. It always sad to see that one idiot leave when you feel like you are making progress and just might make it. The echo buff will be some small incentive for people to stick with the group, or so I hope.

If it wasn't so hard for me to find groups that both can both a) get to post heart titanX and b) survive longer than 10 seconds, I might be slightly disappointed, but its at the point now where I have lost motivation to keep spamming groups in hopes that it will stay together long enough to make progress.

Don't really understand people against this. Overgearing content is no less challenge destroying. I guess everyone is downing titan EX in ilvl 67 huh...

[ExKage]

But then I saw them adding it to Extremes. Isn't that too far? Why do they need to get through extremes? The only content extremes unlock are more extremes and extreme primals are only just more difficult versions of the same fight.

It's been mentioned before that they plan on including Extremes to unlock more than just more extremes. With the progression of newer content and main story it was implied that extremes would be included, hence the echo. They don't want people stalled on main story content. Which is also why they are doing echo with Coil 1

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

What is wrong with letting everyone enjoy what the game has to offer? How does it affect you that players who couldn't beat content before, or didn't want to stress themselves out over the difficulty and want to remain light, that they can now beat and enjoy it's loot contents?

You have a new and difficult 4 levels to beat that they most likely won't and more extreme primals. I think the only difference is that you care so much to create a wide gap. Whereas, I don't think many casual players care that you beat the content before them, at all. I like to air on the side of playing to win, but if someone else cannot stand that playstyle, that doesn't make them any different from me other than that one little difference. We all have a fundamental goal in mind and that is to have fun!

There are really awesome plot points and twists from beating turn 5 that I will not give away and I'd like everyone to enjoy that.

[Velox]

After the patch I'll need to find a static group or manage to convince a bunch of random people in DF to click off their buffs.

You'd need to find a static group anyway. I highly doubt a random party thrown together in the DF can beat t4 or t5, even with the Echo. Even though the EX primals are in the DF now, you don't see DF parties actually beating them. Coil will be no different. DF it for practice, but if you want to seriously have a chance you will need an organized group. The Echo will NOT remove the unforgiving mechanics of the fights (it will just make some recovery easier if someone DOES mess up).

[Zumi]

First of all echo buff is only for the old content pre patch 2.2 stuff. None of the new 2.2 progression content will have the echo buff until the next tier of raiding comes out in 2.4 Even without the echo buff you won't ever get the originally difficulty due to the fact that higher ilvl gear is being released thus making the fight easier because of that. Echo buff is there to help those who could not do it when it was current content.

I have no problem with people getting the echo buff because I finished everything before 2.2 and will be working on new content.

[Kirosuu]

You'd need to find a static group anyway. I highly doubt a random party thrown together in the DF can beat t4 or t5, even with the Echo. Even though the EX primals are in the DF now, you don't see DF parties actually beating them. Coil will be no different. DF it for practice, but if you want to seriously have a chance you will need an organized group. The Echo will NOT remove the unforgiving mechanics of the fights (it will just make some recovery easier if someone DOES mess up).

- The Binding Coil of Bahamut
The weekly entrance restriction on entering all five turns of the Binding Coil of Bahamut has been abolished.
Players may now proceed directly to any turn of the Binding Coil of Bahamut.
Players may now enter the Binding Coil of Bahamut via the Duty Finder with a full party.


binding coil in df need full premade party anyway

[Daenerys_Sedai]

Yes, it's a nerf. Yes it's going to make content easier.. but what I don't get is why people who have cleared it care so much? Many are acting like there aren't going to be any challenges come 2.2 and don't seem to acknowledge that T6-9 will be there to beat which will not have the echo nor by DF-able.I think somewhere along the lines SE nerfed story mode stuff or something or the other dungeons. iunno, "I cleared it before the nerf." Did I care that they nerfed it? no. Did anyone care? maybe? Personally, I could care less because there was still challenging content to take on. The fear that there will be this sudden influx of terrible or carried players seems odd to me, because when it comes right down to it, I have no idea how this would change the way I, or anybody else, actually plays this game.

I'm pretty certain I've played with people who have been carried through Titan HM and have their shiny relic. But even when it's clear that is the case, will knowing that change the way you currently play? You will still have ragequits. You will still avoid PUG groups for certain content. You will still see the "must have cleared" "will queue____" "will check lodestones" in the PF. You will probably only want to run T6-9 with a static initially. You will still get all the shinies that the other folk cannot get immediately...

I just don't see how this has a practical effect on your day-to-day play.

Really, it comes down to the pride you take in saying "I completed ____ before the echo buff patch." Don't get me wrong. It's impressive in its own right. Seriously. Mad props (in all honesty, I am genuinely impressed by the dedication). But if this is the only argument you have for going against an echo buff, then get over it. More than likely your boast would be met with "cool story bro." and that would be the end of it. Sure, it seems like SE is tossing aside your weeks' worth of efforts and is seemingly (per the tone some of the comments take herein) handing it to newbies, but it's not like SE is not giving you anything else to work at which will STILL be unattainable by those newbies.

Post 2.2, you've got T6-9 to deal with. There's no need to look back and worry what people are doing behind you. Join your fellow accomplished players in the fight ahead.

[Tiggy]

You will freely be able to remove it if you wish. Don't try to force server segregation for something you can easily deal with yourself.

[Velo_Vandore]

First of all echo buff is only for the old content pre patch 2.2 stuff. None of the new 2.2 progression content will have the echo buff until the next tier of raiding comes out in 2.4 Even without the echo buff you won't ever get the originally difficulty due to the fact that higher ilvl gear is being released thus making the fight easier because of that. Echo buff is there to help those who could not do it when it was current content.

I have no problem with people getting the echo buff because I finished everything before 2.2 and will be working on new content.

My response to this is what I said before:

I think there's a misconception that players who want to experience content at it's highest difficulty will always push on to end game quickly, and players who choose to take their time are not capable of, or interested in, clearing very difficult content.

I'll never reach the latest end-game, so I'm always playing baby mode versions. The game is placing pressure on me and others to complete each piece of content before it's nerf bombed. I'm just saying it would be nice for there to be an option to play ex-end game content at the initial / max difficulty level, so we don't have to rush past all the content to get a sense of achievement.

[Zumi]

My response to this is what I said before:



I'll never reach the latest end-game, so I'm always playing baby mode versions. The game is placing pressure on me and others to complete each piece of content before it's nerf bombed. I'm just saying it would be nice for there to be an option to play ex-end game content at the initial / max difficulty level, so we don't have to rush past all the content to get a sense of achievement.

Like I said if you beat content when its not current it has already been nerfed by overgearing. There will be ilvl gear 20-25 ilvls harder that people will have come 2.2 and if anyone is using anything higher then 90 basically the fight is already nerfed and not at its original difficulty. You get 6-8 months to beat content that is a long time if you didn't do it by then probably means you weren't going to do it.

Hypothetical situation. Say if you even have 1-2 ilvl 110 dps that just mop the floor with Titan EX one shot it didn't get echo buff even with 2 other dps dying and say you were one of them they basically killed him while you were dead 70% of the time is this really isn't an achievement.