Lack of tanks in the game

[Acala]

In many many CT I went in,nobody wanted to tank Behemoth even though it's piss poor easy to tank him (the "hard" job is on the healers).
Even if all melee jobs were able to tank, most people wouldn't want to tank.

Seriously dont want to tank in any mmo game. and paying them off to do it only hurts the role. there are so many shit tanks out there playing for the bonus that it makes lvling a dps/healer the worst experience in the game for someone that mains a tank. The thing that makes it shit is not just they are bad at it but that they dont care. They are there purely for the bonus then they are going back to dps so learning what to do doesnt matter to them. On top of that there are so many threads about how particularly newer tanks dont want to rush things, they want to "experience" it. Seriously if 3 out of 4 want to do something and the tank stops them then the tank shouldnt complain about being bitched at.

But enough of that. In response to making tanks easier. no just no this is just a terrible idea in the long term. What needs to happen is dps need to learn to take responsibility of their own enmity. Same for healers... fcking scrubs that spam medica when one person takes 40 damage. So well basically people just need to learn to play there role, but most dont care. and that is the Achilles heel of a casual game people just want to "experience" content they dont care if they are good enough or geared enough they feel they have the right to have everything handed to them.

[Delorean]

Defiance/Shield Oath at lv 15 is too soon. Making Butcher's Block and Rage of Halone available around that time would be a better solution.

But really, the only threat problem I ever have at low lvl is with Bards. But that is because of how soon they can access burst creating abilities and how quickly they frontload burst and then keep a constant stream of ridiculously high enmity generating damage flowing afterwards compared to other classes.

But tanks aren't popular in MMORPGs for a pretty obvious reason I feel. When you play an FF game, you seldom use a character build that is focused mainly on damage mitigation and survival. no, you use wizard characters, ranger characters, various melee characters and healer characters. Even Cecil was a Paladin, had a shield, and his damage didn't suck. Neither did Paladins in FFTA with the Sonic Boom Hunter skill.

Yeah tanks are made low damage high survivability in the interest of balance, but I can see why a lot of people would say "hey i don't want to sign up to be a punching bag".

No, I don't think throwing rewards at players to tank is going to keep them tanking. But hey, if it is easier to just throw rewards at tanks than it is to make a role more appealing to the playerbase as a whole to play, then by all means.

[Kaonis]

The thing is, all the mounts will do is entice people to level a tank until they get it. Added rewards would only entice people to level a tank for roulette (as well as instant pop), then never touch it again.

They are going about encouraging tanks in the completely wrong way. They need to look at why people don't want to play tanks and address THOSE problems if they want people to actually play tanks. It's the hardest role and the one that gets shit on the most if things don't go right, you need to be spot on and pretty much perfect in fights or things go wrong while dealing with an obscenely long GCD with no burst threat to speak of. It's not exactly surprisingly most people don't want to play a tank. Half the time I'd rather just sit back and mindlessly stab things and let others take the blame when something goes wrong.

[NotTheNameIWanted]

They need to look at why people don't want to play tanks and address THOSE problems if they want people to actually play tanks.

The reason is a human behavior, most people don't want burden of responsibility because it comes with more blame. Even if they made it so tanks dealt more damage, or made it so everyone *could* tank, there'd still be one guy that'd need to step up to take control of the boss for positioning.

They can't do anything to "ease the pain" of tanking except increase the rewards for having to deal with people, which is what they're doing. I think it'll cause a wave of really bad tanks who have no desire to fulfill the role and just want rewards, but they'll burn out pretty fast and go back to whatever role they *were* filling beforehand.

And yeah, lol at the Medica aggro thing. That is a real pain in the butt.

[lxSch]

Making tanking easier won't stop people from being rude, though. The *only* reason you eat the rudeness is because you're running at the front of the pack and everyone's focused on you. Most people aren't watching healers or other DPS, they're watching the boss, which way they're facing, where aggro is going. Tank is supposed to be an interactive role for the thick-skinned. My best advice to enjoy the class is to not take the rudeness personally. It's part of the fun for me, and honestly, I think if some people could realize that part of the fun of the role is doing a good job even when some people give you attitude over things that don't matter, they'd have more fun with it.

Why did you quote me? Your reply is not related to my message, i see you *snipped* my text, so i guess you didn't even bother reading it before writing the response.
I disagree with the points you stated and not going to argue about it, just letting you know.
So tired of argue-hungry people on forums, every message i write gets quoted with some pointless response, i will just delete it since i have no desire to waste time arguing.

[AlexanderRed]

Im new to this game, learning as I go and i'm starting out as a gladiator and a decent-to-sometimes-what-the-hell-are-you-doing tank. im only Level 23 at the moment and I am only starting to experience the grand pleasure it is to be a tank in this game with all the bells and whistles, even with all the hardship it sometimes causes me and the comments I get for not doing my job right, like an earlier post stated it comes with being the leader. I sorta revel in the attention I get and running some of these dungeons for the first time, whilst sometimes rude and obnoxious- most players are just telling me what i'm doing wrong. I only just found out playing DPS classes all the time I like taking the damage for other people. Thick skin is definitely needed for the job, but that's what a tank is built to have. Finding out that there are not many willing to do the same in this game, concerning and disheartening as it is-is a bit gratifying because at least right now i'm a commodity.

[NotTheNameIWanted]

Why did you quote me? Your reply is not related to my message, i see you *snipped* my text, so i guess you didn't even bother reading it before writing the response.
I disagree with the points you stated and not going to argue about it, just letting you know.
So tired of argue-hungry people on forums, every message i write gets quoted with some pointless response, i will just delete it since i have no desire to waste time arguing.

I snipped your text because the quote was really long and there's a character limit in posts.

Thick skin is definitely needed for the job, but that's what a tank is built to have. Finding out that there are not many willing to do the same in this game, concerning and disheartening as it is-is a bit gratifying because at least right now i'm a commodity.

Exactly. You have to put up with more, but you get more as a result. That's the joy of tanking. I don't *need* added incentive through Duty Finder, insta-queues are nice enough, but if they feel we need bigger rewards, I'm not going to complain.

[Odd]

So, according to the latest Live Letter there is lack of people playing tank jobs in the game. And the solution to solve this issue is adding 2 new mounts and 7x higher duty roulette bonus. Bonus for Low Level Duty Roulette will be approximately: 41860 xp, 3150 gil, 1260 seals
Do you agree this will solve the problem?

As someone who lacks the confidence to tank in this game, this is in no way an incentive for me. And if the mounts are a level 30 quest like the Unicorn mount is, then I'll solo both tanks to 30 and call it a day. Hell the mounts are actually pretty cool, so I'll solo both to 50 if that's what it is.

[lxSch]

I snipped your text because the quote was really long and there's a character limit in posts.

Editing message removes the 1000 char limit, so you can start to quote messages properly.

[Wadoka]

Insta-queue is *not* an incentive, when you won't even enter the queue any more for fear of the attitudes the other party members will demonstrate.


"You get insta-queue, I had to wait 2 hours"

"No... I get infini-queue, because after I finished the MSL and unlocked everything unlockable (or after I joined a good FC, or static) I stopped queuing through DF. Never again..."