Regarding yet again... more nerfs.

[Doki]

The last few times I did AK, the wall died before the bugs could pop anyhow, so that nerf won't really even matter... I'm more interested to see if the newest instances will offer a higher new tome payout over existing ones. If it offers 50 or less, people are just going to spam WP/AK/Manor HM still, and abandon pharos & new stuff on roulette.

[Yahavage]

Makes sense to nerf it. People who can't currently clear it for whatever reason get a chance to, while everyone else moves on.
If they don't nerf it, dugeons become redundant, because people who've done it loose interest, and people who couldn't, still wouldn't be able to.

My thoughts anywho!

[ColorOfSakura]

I believe they nerfed both AK and Pharos simply because Darklight Gear is now going to be dropped by some of the Lvl 50 dungeons (I'm sure AK and Pharos are going to be among them) and with Philo tomes going away, most players aren't going to have reason to farm those dungeons anymore (unless they up the amount of Myth tomes they drop, which I doubt.) Not like they farm AK much at all anyways, especially since other content is more worthwhile.

Might as well make them a little easier for newer players to farm gear from since the older players are all going to be moving beyond iLvl 90 stuff and taking on much harder content. Yes, I know AK's been nerfed twice already. Honestly, most of the hardcore players don't touch things like Pharos or AK anyways, so I don't know why it really matters to them in the first place?

[Prototype909]

I can understand the "People should get to experience the content" argument, but Extreme Mode primals came out just last content update, if anything they should've been left alone. I don't care about the "Special Snowflake" PoV that people seem to think exists, but I think people forget that when content gets nerfed you're also taking away the ability of old players to revisit difficult content - not just giving new players or (bad) players the chance to beat it. If they couldn't beat Titan EX what makes them any more likely to beat Leviathan EX? Why is the babying necessary if it comes at the expense of limiting older player's experiences?

I also hate to sound elitist but this just contributes to the overall problem of people being impatient or hostile in higher level instances due to the perception that people who routinely fail were carried through fights they had no business beating and or undeservedly obtained their gear (Though a lot of that can be from CT or just the concept of token loot to begin with). I'm not saying it's fair that that sort of prejudice exists, but it does add another layer of suspicion and skepticism that doesn't do much to help the game's community.

[BloodPact]

I can understand the "People should get to experience the content" argument, but Extreme Mode primals came out just last content update, if anything they should've been left alone. I don't care about the "Special Snowflake" PoV that people seem to think exists, but I think people forget that when content gets nerfed you're also taking away the ability of old players to revisit difficult content - not just giving new players or (bad) players the chance to beat it. If they couldn't beat Titan EX what makes them any more likely to beat Leviathan EX? Why is the babying necessary if it comes at the expense of limiting older player's experiences.

None of the extreme primals or The Binding Coil of Bahamut are getting nerfed specifically for this reason. So people who like challenging stuff can still have the original challenge. Only Pharos Sirius and Amdapor Keep are being adjusted. The players themselves are getting the boost for this content, a boost which is optional and can be turned of just like any other buff for those who do not wish to use it.

[Galactimus]

I think people forget that when content gets nerfed you're also taking away the ability of old players to revisit difficult content - not just giving new players or (bad) players the chance to beat it. If they couldn't beat Titan EX what makes them any more likely to beat Leviathan EX? Why is the babying necessary if it comes at the expense of limiting older player's experiences.

The echo buff is NOT taking that experience away. You can still clear the content as much as you want in its original difficulty. The echo is only applied if you die after three minutes of constant fighting. And the Coil echo can be removed. People still have to learn the mechanics. The echo buff isn't going to stop players from being knocked off the edge from Landslides or cleaving the party with Divebombs.

[BloodPact]

The echo buff is NOT taking that experience away. You can still clear the content as much as you want in its original difficulty. The echo is only applied if you die after three minutes of constant fighting. And the Coil echo can be removed. People still have to learn the mechanics. The echo buff isn't going to stop players from being knocked off the edge from Landslides or cleaving the party with Divebombs.

Expanding on what Galactimus said above. I hope everyone realizes that pre-2.2 content for endgamers in getting "nerfed" anyways because once you get ilvl100+ gear Titan, Garuda, Ifrit and Coils 1-5 are just going to be rollface for the people who already complete those on a regular basis. You'd have to get your entire party to downgrade to Darklight and rerun Coils 1-5 (for example) to get the experience you all want, and I'm pretty sure none of the complainers are doing that now anyways. <.<

[Jinko]

Well the thing is I guess if you want a challenge then you should be heading to Coil2.

They have said from way back that when new content came out they would change old content so casuals would be able to do it, its WoW syndrome I suppose ..... but heres the thing you aren't the only person playing this game and SE have to cater to both sets of players.

I do agree that making standard dungeons more easy is a bit silly though.

Echo buff won't even be an issue if you can beat it first time, if you can't then its just a helping hand and if you so offended by that you shouldn't have died the previous time :P

[Nuinn]

Every single time I read this topic's name on the first page of General Discussion I read it as "Roegadyn yet again... more nerfs." >.< I kinda do wish it was about Roegadyn .___.

[Kyrosiris]

At least make [the echo] optional for people who don't mind a challenge.

It is. Please actually read things instead of flying off the handle.