Regarding yet again... more nerfs.

[shadowrell_d-_-b]

why exactly should advanced players (having cleared coil several times, downed each EX primal and leveled every class you wanted to 50) care about "OLD" content being nerfed?
to protect my elitist position? wouldn't want the newbies catching up to fast eh?

any content worth doing for experienced players will have plenty enough challenge in 2.2 let those trying to play catch up have their fun! as for the whiner's saying "but they wont learn how to play if its nerfed" or "its not fair to those that had to do it the hard way" get off your high horse this is a casual MMO if you did anything the hard way that was YOUR choice to be the first to get X item's.

stupid thread

[Mychael]

why exactly should advanced players (having cleared coil several times, downed each EX primal and leveled every class you wanted to 50) care about "OLD" content being nerfed?
to protect my elitist position? wouldn't want the newbies catching up to fast eh?

any content worth doing for experienced players will have plenty enough challenge in 2.2 let those trying to play catch up have their fun! as for the whiner's saying "but they wont learn how to play if its nerfed" or "its not fair to those that had to do it the hard way" get off your high horse this is a casual MMO if you did anything the hard way that was YOUR choice to be the first to get X item's.

You said it: "to[o] fast." This content isn't that old. I haven't been back long enough to beat all three Ex primals, and frankly I don't want them to be any easier than the original players' attempts. If anything, I feel insulted that SE thinks I want the easymode since I wasn't here when they were originally released. It doesn't make me a lesser player, just a player whose job places him in areas without high-speed internet.

I'm totally okay with phasing out old content, but I think they needed to wait longer than a single (major) update.

[Alwryn]

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The hardest things about extreme modes were getting the mechanics down. Wicked wheel is still going to hit for the same damage. Titan will still be able to knock you off the edge just the same as ever. Twintania will still Death Sentence combo and one shot unmitigated tanks. Her divebombs will still knock you into a wall.

The fights will go FASTER. That does not mean they will be EASIER.

You still have to learn and know the mechanics to win.

I should just put this as my signature, since I say it so much but...Calm down chicken little, sky ain't falling.

[Mychael]

The hardest things about extreme modes were getting the mechanics down. Wicked wheel is still going to hit for the same damage. Titan will still be able to knock you off the edge just the same as ever. Twintania will still Death Sentence combo and one shot unmitigated tanks. Her divebombs will still knock you into a wall.

The fights will go FASTER. That does not mean they will be EASIER.

You still have to learn and know the mechanics to win.

I should just put this as my signature, since I say it so much but...Calm down chicken little, sky ain't falling.

You missed the entire point of my post. Read the last sentence.

Edit: With the primal battles in particular, faster IS easier. Primals going down faster means that the they'll be less likely to make it through an entire rotation. If Titan is dying faster, players will have less chances to take a landslide, bomb, etc. because there will be fewer occurrences. There'll be less time for Garuda/sisters to catch someone off-guard with a double WW because it'll happen fewer times. And even if I can cancel the buff, that doesn't mean I can expect entire DF/PF groups to.

[Alwryn]

You missed the entire point of my post. Read the last sentence.

Oh I read the last sentence.

It's just that by the very nature of vertical progression, the last tier of content has to be phased out. The increase in ilvl speaks for itself really.

[Mychael]

Oh I read the last sentence.

It's just that by the very nature of vertical progression, the last tier of content has to be phased out. The increase in ilvl speaks for itself really.

There's no more of a gap beween i90 and i110 than there is between i70 and i90. I see lots of people in full darklight running things they shouldn't, so I see no reason that i90 gear/content couldn't have held its place until we make it to i130 (or whatever's coming up next).

[Alwryn]

There's no more of a gap beween i90 and i110 than there is between i70 and i90. I see lots of people in full darklight running things they shouldn't, so I see no reason that i90 gear/content couldn't have held its place until we make it to i130 (or whatever's coming up next).

Well, I remember we all were clearing turn 1/2 in mostly all i70 and the developers were shocked we were getting to turn 4. Of course, turn 4 was more of a gear check, for weeks we didn't have the dps to down the first dread before the next adds spawned.

Anyway, I see your point, it's valid. So, all I can say is, this is just how its going to be.

Although, I still don't think this is a big nerf, since you still need to observe mechanics.

[Nero]

There's no more of a gap beween i90 and i110 than there is between i70 and i90. I see lots of people in full darklight running things they shouldn't, so I see no reason that i90 gear/content couldn't have held its place until we make it to i130 (or whatever's coming up next).

I do believe people overestimated the potency of the Echo-Buff. Coil will not receive a nerf -> Players will have a buff ( Thats a difference there ) and also not right away. It will take what? 2 weeks (?) for each additional buff and it is not even in place right away after the Update. 10% more HP, more Damage will not make people be better DD's, healers, will not improve their skills in Teamplay, Coordination and dodging. 10% might does sound a lot, but if it comes do dodging t5, those 10% won't mean shit since getting tossed into a wall will still kill you, getting caught by Twisters will still kill you, eating Death-Sentence/Plummet will still hurt/kill you. Let aside that a Divebomb hitting a whole group, also still will fucking hurt lol.

You still have to learn the fight/mechanics. The Echo Buff is not an "Instant Win Buff".

[Nero]

The hardest things about extreme modes were getting the mechanics down. Wicked wheel is still going to hit for the same damage. Titan will still be able to knock you off the edge just the same as ever. Twintania will still Death Sentence combo and one shot unmitigated tanks. Her divebombs will still knock you into a wall.

The fights will go FASTER. That does not mean they will be EASIER.

You still have to learn and know the mechanics to win.

I should just put this as my signature, since I say it so much but...Calm down chicken little, sky ain't falling.

^Someone who actually gets it.

[Xellos2099]

The hardest things about extreme modes were getting the mechanics down. Wicked wheel is still going to hit for the same damage. Titan will still be able to knock you off the edge just the same as ever. Twintania will still Death Sentence combo and one shot unmitigated tanks. Her divebombs will still knock you into a wall.

The fights will go FASTER. That does not mean they will be EASIER.

You still have to learn and know the mechanics to win.

I should just put this as my signature, since I say it so much but...Calm down chicken little, sky ain't falling.

Agree, for twin most people die to Divebomb>Snake>Twister Phrase. Sure having echo will made conflag faster to beat and snake easier to kill and Dread die faster but people still got to learn the mechanic or just end up mpk the group.