Regarding yet again... more nerfs.

[Taika]

why not let others experience the fight, now you're done and can move onto Turns 6-9?

Aren't these nerfs exactly "not letting others experience the fight"? If you want to beat them pre-nerf you have to be fast and get lucky with avoiding current lag issues. If you haven't been able to beat them before 2.2 you'll get the watered-down versions. I'm glad I had the luck of having a good static group to do and beat the content with but if I wouldn't have been able to do it before patch I would be very annoyed with these nerfs.

I don't think people who haven't beaten the content yet need it to be nerfed to beat it.

[Xairos]

You seem to not understand the concept. A lot of people really don't get why certain content continues to be nerfed even after it was already previously nerfed, twice. (AK for example.)

Instead you're too busy assuming it's an ego thing when rather some people just wonder why content has to be continually nerfed.

What i am missing here is why people care that the old content got (is getting) nerfed. I mean when was the last time anyone cared about AK? I think this is just another point that people want to latch on to lobby complaints at this current patch. This happens every live letter.

Furthermore, there will be a slew of people who will experience this post patch and wont think anything of it. They will never know the nerf happened. Kind of how most players are with Twintania now.

[Tupsi]

What i am missing here is why people care that the old content got (is getting) nerfed. I mean when was the last time anyone cared about AK? I think this is just another point that people want to latch on to lobby complaints at this current patch. This happens every live letter.

That's exactly it, 2.1 wasn't that long ago lol. Stuff like AK is only brought up because it was already nerfed prior to 2.1 and again at 2.1, now it's getting nerfed again. So someone was simply wondering why was it getting nerfed again after it was already nerfed. Whether or not it matters to you is up to the individual, but it's an honest question the usual people seem to attack someone over.

AK drops nothing of value anymore, so it's definitely not an 'ego' thing xD.

[ExKage]

Why care about the nerfs in the first place? Echo buffs can be toggled off and if you've already cleared AK pre-nerfs good for you.

I thought it was funny, because as BLM when I run it I've been with groups that will burn through the wall so fast it dies as the bees pop. No matter. Now I don't need to care about making bees not kill my healer when I run as tank. Nice. Not needed, but nice.

[KraggyKor]

You seem to not understand the concept. A lot of people really don't get why certain content continues to be nerfed even after it was already previously nerfed, twice. (AK for example.)

Since you've completed this content then I wonder why you're so worried about it being made easier for others. The only reason I come up with is what I wrote, because there is no real impact on you at all so why the concern?

And please, spare me the faux-altruistic "let others experience it the way it was originally", I've yet to read a single such comment (and God knows this is a regular comment in discussions in every MMO forum when old content gets nerfed) which comes across as a genuine concern for others.

It's nerfed because there are many players, likely the majority, who haven't and never will beat, say, Titan HM and locking them out of the game from that point forever is bad business, if nothing else.

LOL! How is it my fault that you're a freaking *LEGACY* player and still below me in everything? Oh right, I get it now. It's because you love to sub for one month, clear everything and then leave. Definitely healthy for this game's life span, huh?

Not sure how this account's *LEGACY* status has anything to do with it but I'm glad you raise it, when you have to resort to ad hominem attacks you clearly concede my point. Also of course, you don't know my other account and what, if anything, my main character there has done. No, I haven't cleared Coil, or in fact CT but then MY achievements aren't the issue because they have no bearing on your whinge.

Thank you.

Oh yes, I have ALL CURRENT VETERAN REWARDS for 12 months on my other account and 6 months on this one, just so you know.

LOL.

[Versiroth]

I didn't see anything mentioned but the primals and coil. Where does it say that some of the dungeons like AK are being nerfed?

[Nero]

After reading the patch notes and Q & A thread, I see -

- More nerfs to AK. Sigh, why is this needed? Patch 2.1 already nerfed it enough to misery.
- Why is Coil echo buff instant the moment you enter? At least make it optional for people who don't mind a challenge. Why does everything have to be barbie doll adventures? I don't understand. With 30% stat boost, welcome solo heals and solo tank. 2 minute clears on bosses. Fun!

You .... must be new to MMO's. O_o When new Content comes, old Stuff is usually made easier. And as for Coil, it is not really a nerf since you will receive a buff. A Buff ( more HP/more damage etc ) will not make you a better DD, a better healer and of course not making you better at Teamplay, Positioning and Dodging. Yes, with the Buff you will receive and advantage, but that's about it.

So basically those people who did struggle until now with T5, will still after Patch for a while. And even with the Buff.. Twister can still kill you most likely.

[Xairos]

But with all this being said, I can see both sides:

1) players have the potential to beat old content as it was. They should have the right to fight it how it was originally made

conversely

2) more players should be able to get through the content that will have even fewer people running it as we get more and more newer content. Plus this helps get newer players hooked due to the fact that players are attached to higher level/geared characters (see current WoW players).

I am a fan of #2 due to the fact that scientifically, the endorphin release is not determined by what "edition" of the content was completed. I know ill be fighting a post-nerf twin, but man ill enjoy the heck out of that win the first time.

[Aethaeryn]

I didn't see anything mentioned but the primals and coil. Where does it say that some of the dungeons like AK are being nerfed?

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...a2f50fd428c5c2

Amdapor Keep
The potency of Plaincracker used by Megalith Marionette has been reduced.
Bloodlappers will no longer spawn during the battle with Demon Wall.
The potency of Imminent Catastrophe and Bubonic Cloud used by Anantaboga has been reduced.

Pharos under that.

[Tupsi]

Since you've completed this content then I wonder why you're so worried about it being made easier for others.

Who said I was worried? My comment was referring to the 2.1 items in terms of accomplishments - You simply spun my comment to fit your argument, then turned it into personal attacks, which quite frankly can get you banned for.

And please, spare me the faux-altruistic "let others experience it the way it was originally"

And still adding words to my post that never existed to fit your argument.

It's nerfed because there are many players, likely the majority, who haven't and never will beat, say, Titan HM and locking them out of the game from that point forever is bad business, if nothing else.

It's not bad business when you can look around and see how many relics exist, which btw, outweighs how many who can't beat titan HM - So SE isn't going to go bankrupt because a portion of players can't beat an easy boss fight, as you're assuming.