Regarding yet again... more nerfs.

[Ferocious]

After reading the patch notes and Q & A thread, I see -

- More nerfs to AK. Sigh, why is this needed? Patch 2.1 already nerfed it enough to misery.

- Why the echo buff for extreme primals? They are extremes for a reason. If you can't handle it, don't enter. It's that simple. You don't even need to go in there for primal weapons any longer since they're removing myth cap and you can simply upgrade your relic to +1 (Zenith). Why even create extreme versions if you're going to babysit us? On top of that, it's a whopping 25% stat boost. Should have been 10% max.

- I know people saw this coming, but instead of nerfing Pharos Sirius, they should have increased its ilvl requirement for entry now that i90 gear is super easy to acquire.

- Why is Coil echo buff instant the moment you enter? At least make it optional for people who don't mind a challenge. Why does everything have to be barbie doll adventures? I don't understand. With 30% stat boost, welcome solo heals and solo tank. 2 minute clears on bosses. Fun!

[shoki]

- Why is Coil echo buff instant the moment you enter? At least make it optional for people who don't mind a challenge. Why does everything have to be barbie doll adventures? I don't understand. With 30% stat boost, welcome solo heals and solo tank. 2 minute clears on bosses. Fun!

is it? in my opinion they will activate one more stack of the echo buff every 2 weeks. That's how i read it.
So 2weeks after patch go in, wipe 1time after 3min fighting, get echo#1, wipe again and you won't get the second one.
2weeks later: wipe 2times and have 2stacks....

[Tupsi]

He's following the "standard" MMORPG model (that only 1 mainstream MMO actually utilizes and 1 other MMO no one really cares about) which is to nerf content after every update and make your previous accomplishment meaningless. Get used to it. Even the Gilgamesh battle will have no challenge to it because he wants everyone to "enjoy it" since keeping things challenging creates a gap in the playerbase and people will be "stressed."

Of course you'll have the people who encourage and appreciate this say "there's no problem and this isn't the game for you" though.

is it? in my opinion they will activate one more stack of the echo buff every 2 weeks. That's how i read it.
So 2weeks after patch go in, wipe 1time after 3min fighting, get echo#1, wipe again and you won't get the second one.
2weeks later: wipe 2times and have 2stacks....

This applies only for coil 1-5.

[Laf]

This is casual MMO

[Reborn]

It's old content now.

It was stated that this would happen so that all players could experience the content.

You can manually remove the echo buff if you want.

Also, your character has all classes at 50, and your Scholar is max geared, you've obviously beat twin, why not let others experience the fight, now you're done and can move onto Turns 6-9?

[cotti]

Hey, Gastón, why are you talking like it's confirmed that you can't click the Echo buff off in Coil?

[Xairos]

I see this as a remedy to a problem that FFXI had: showing the content that the developers worked on (that we paid for) to the players.

I think, in reality, the only proper way to reach as many people as possible in an online persistent world is to gradually make it easier. either through player power creep, or though changing the mechanics. In FFXI they removed the level cap on some content. Here they are changing the mechanics a bit. Regardless, old content is old.

I want new people to eventually get past titan.

[KraggyKor]

He's following the "standard" MMORPG model (that only 1 mainstream MMO actually utilizes and 1 other MMO no one really cares about) which is to nerf content after every update and make your previous accomplishment meaningless.

An accomplishment isn't made meaningless after the fact unless you want to use it as some sort of badge to flaunt in some failed attempt to show superiority over others.

For those of us who do things for our own self-satisfaction, the fact others get to do it more easily later is irrelevant.

[Lithera]

I don't agree with the AK nerf, though it makes a tiny bit of sense with the increasing number of HM dungeons that technically take its place. Pharos makes sense because it was supposed to be on par with the two HM dungeons since it shares drops with them. As for the Echo... you answered your own question. Relic +1s are going to be easier. The Primal quest gets you a weapon of equal level and as such should not be much more difficult. Echo buff can also be cancelled by clicking on it so you can do it old school as well (though I suppose you'd have to get the whole pt to agree or some such). Also notice that the Coil one is gradual. Coil won't see a full 30% buff until two months from patch drop. This is enough of a ramp to ensure that those real close to downing Twin will do so right after patch and by a month short of 2.3 the less skilled players will be able to finally experience the 2.2 battle content.

[apfelwein]

1. who cares about AK? u only need a quick run for your relic quest...
2. i think cuz they are required to progress the game with 2.2....noone wants to play a game where u can not progress cuz your unlucky with pugs over month
3. i dont even unlocked it, so i cant say much about it and its difficulty
4. if i understood that right, there's no echo buff for premade groups, so no 1 tank 1 heal...