Regarding yet again... more nerfs.

[Reborn]

It's old content now.

It was stated that this would happen so that all players could experience the content.

You can manually remove the echo buff if you want.

Also, your character has all classes at 50, and your Scholar is max geared, you've obviously beat twin, why not let others experience the fight, now you're done and can move onto Turns 6-9?

[Taika]

why not let others experience the fight, now you're done and can move onto Turns 6-9?

Aren't these nerfs exactly "not letting others experience the fight"? If you want to beat them pre-nerf you have to be fast and get lucky with avoiding current lag issues. If you haven't been able to beat them before 2.2 you'll get the watered-down versions. I'm glad I had the luck of having a good static group to do and beat the content with but if I wouldn't have been able to do it before patch I would be very annoyed with these nerfs.

I don't think people who haven't beaten the content yet need it to be nerfed to beat it.

[Xairos]

You seem to not understand the concept. A lot of people really don't get why certain content continues to be nerfed even after it was already previously nerfed, twice. (AK for example.)

Instead you're too busy assuming it's an ego thing when rather some people just wonder why content has to be continually nerfed.

What i am missing here is why people care that the old content got (is getting) nerfed. I mean when was the last time anyone cared about AK? I think this is just another point that people want to latch on to lobby complaints at this current patch. This happens every live letter.

Furthermore, there will be a slew of people who will experience this post patch and wont think anything of it. They will never know the nerf happened. Kind of how most players are with Twintania now.

[Tupsi]

What i am missing here is why people care that the old content got (is getting) nerfed. I mean when was the last time anyone cared about AK? I think this is just another point that people want to latch on to lobby complaints at this current patch. This happens every live letter.

That's exactly it, 2.1 wasn't that long ago lol. Stuff like AK is only brought up because it was already nerfed prior to 2.1 and again at 2.1, now it's getting nerfed again. So someone was simply wondering why was it getting nerfed again after it was already nerfed. Whether or not it matters to you is up to the individual, but it's an honest question the usual people seem to attack someone over.

AK drops nothing of value anymore, so it's definitely not an 'ego' thing xD.

[KraggyKor]

You seem to not understand the concept. A lot of people really don't get why certain content continues to be nerfed even after it was already previously nerfed, twice. (AK for example.)

Since you've completed this content then I wonder why you're so worried about it being made easier for others. The only reason I come up with is what I wrote, because there is no real impact on you at all so why the concern?

And please, spare me the faux-altruistic "let others experience it the way it was originally", I've yet to read a single such comment (and God knows this is a regular comment in discussions in every MMO forum when old content gets nerfed) which comes across as a genuine concern for others.

It's nerfed because there are many players, likely the majority, who haven't and never will beat, say, Titan HM and locking them out of the game from that point forever is bad business, if nothing else.

LOL! How is it my fault that you're a freaking *LEGACY* player and still below me in everything? Oh right, I get it now. It's because you love to sub for one month, clear everything and then leave. Definitely healthy for this game's life span, huh?

Not sure how this account's *LEGACY* status has anything to do with it but I'm glad you raise it, when you have to resort to ad hominem attacks you clearly concede my point. Also of course, you don't know my other account and what, if anything, my main character there has done. No, I haven't cleared Coil, or in fact CT but then MY achievements aren't the issue because they have no bearing on your whinge.

Thank you.

Oh yes, I have ALL CURRENT VETERAN REWARDS for 12 months on my other account and 6 months on this one, just so you know.

LOL.

[Tupsi]

Since you've completed this content then I wonder why you're so worried about it being made easier for others.

Who said I was worried? My comment was referring to the 2.1 items in terms of accomplishments - You simply spun my comment to fit your argument, then turned it into personal attacks, which quite frankly can get you banned for.

And please, spare me the faux-altruistic "let others experience it the way it was originally"

And still adding words to my post that never existed to fit your argument.

It's nerfed because there are many players, likely the majority, who haven't and never will beat, say, Titan HM and locking them out of the game from that point forever is bad business, if nothing else.

It's not bad business when you can look around and see how many relics exist, which btw, outweighs how many who can't beat titan HM - So SE isn't going to go bankrupt because a portion of players can't beat an easy boss fight, as you're assuming.

[IgnisFatuus]

So SE isn't going to go bankrupt because a portion of players can't beat an easy boss fight, as you're assuming.

people getting bored and frustrated over equipment that will soon be even more outdated will make them bankrupt. what's the alternative? selling runs, getting carried by your fc? i think it's better to just go through the content and get used to mechanics with some buffs then just get it handed to you or quit the game altogether.

[KraggyKor]

And still adding words to my post that never existed to fit your argument.

Nope, I didn't say that you said it and anyone reading your post can see .. I was simply suggesting you didn't waste your time replying like that if that was your intent.

It's not bad business when you can look around and see how many relics exist, which btw, outweighs how many who can't beat titan HM

The number of Relics in existence is irrelevant, the number of characters is .. in any case I doubt you have the numbers to even prove your asserted 'fact'.

ITP: We take someone else's post and spin it to fit our argument. I would wager you'd be a pretty good politician or lawyer.

Since you chose not to quote what I posted to which this cute little epithet applies I can only observe that yes, I probably could, because I'm good at seeing the logical fallacies paraded as 'facts' so often posted in web forums.

[KoujiMoreno]

Stuff.

ITP: We take someone else's post and spin it to fit our argument. I would wager you'd be a pretty good politician or lawyer.

[BloodPact]

You seem to not understand the concept. A lot of people really don't get why certain content continues to be nerfed even after it was already previously nerfed, twice. (AK for example.)

Instead you're too busy assuming it's an ego thing when rather some people just wonder why content has to be continually nerfed.

Regarding the AK modifications: It's a starter dungeon for the level cap, and if you compare the difficulty of the other option (Wanderer's Palace) for this type of content, Amdapor Keep is still a bit higher in difficulty, so it's getting lowered even more to WP "standard". This is the same reason that Pharos Sirius is being adjusted so it fits the HM tier, because as it stands now, for the majority of players it's a lot easier to clear the two HMs than it is to clear PS.

But anyways, regardless of the adjustments in patch 2.2, we all know it would be a walk in the park anyways because as it stands right now, running any of the two with ilvl80+ (which the majority of the people who complain about this fall in) is just retardedly easy. This change is aimed at people who just started lv50 instances, with equipment just barely above the required for entry.