Regarding yet again... more nerfs.

[Ferocious]

After reading the patch notes and Q & A thread, I see -

- More nerfs to AK. Sigh, why is this needed? Patch 2.1 already nerfed it enough to misery.

- Why the echo buff for extreme primals? They are extremes for a reason. If you can't handle it, don't enter. It's that simple. You don't even need to go in there for primal weapons any longer since they're removing myth cap and you can simply upgrade your relic to +1 (Zenith). Why even create extreme versions if you're going to babysit us? On top of that, it's a whopping 25% stat boost. Should have been 10% max.

- I know people saw this coming, but instead of nerfing Pharos Sirius, they should have increased its ilvl requirement for entry now that i90 gear is super easy to acquire.

- Why is Coil echo buff instant the moment you enter? At least make it optional for people who don't mind a challenge. Why does everything have to be barbie doll adventures? I don't understand. With 30% stat boost, welcome solo heals and solo tank. 2 minute clears on bosses. Fun!

[shoki]

- Why is Coil echo buff instant the moment you enter? At least make it optional for people who don't mind a challenge. Why does everything have to be barbie doll adventures? I don't understand. With 30% stat boost, welcome solo heals and solo tank. 2 minute clears on bosses. Fun!

is it? in my opinion they will activate one more stack of the echo buff every 2 weeks. That's how i read it.
So 2weeks after patch go in, wipe 1time after 3min fighting, get echo#1, wipe again and you won't get the second one.
2weeks later: wipe 2times and have 2stacks....

[Tupsi]

He's following the "standard" MMORPG model (that only 1 mainstream MMO actually utilizes and 1 other MMO no one really cares about) which is to nerf content after every update and make your previous accomplishment meaningless. Get used to it. Even the Gilgamesh battle will have no challenge to it because he wants everyone to "enjoy it" since keeping things challenging creates a gap in the playerbase and people will be "stressed."

Of course you'll have the people who encourage and appreciate this say "there's no problem and this isn't the game for you" though.

is it? in my opinion they will activate one more stack of the echo buff every 2 weeks. That's how i read it.
So 2weeks after patch go in, wipe 1time after 3min fighting, get echo#1, wipe again and you won't get the second one.
2weeks later: wipe 2times and have 2stacks....

This applies only for coil 1-5.

[KraggyKor]

He's following the "standard" MMORPG model (that only 1 mainstream MMO actually utilizes and 1 other MMO no one really cares about) which is to nerf content after every update and make your previous accomplishment meaningless.

An accomplishment isn't made meaningless after the fact unless you want to use it as some sort of badge to flaunt in some failed attempt to show superiority over others.

For those of us who do things for our own self-satisfaction, the fact others get to do it more easily later is irrelevant.

[Lord_Zlatan]

An accomplishment isn't made meaningless after the fact unless you want to use it as some sort of badge to flaunt in some failed attempt to show superiority over others.

For those of us who do things for our own self-satisfaction, the fact others get to do it more easily later is irrelevant.

/bow thank you. took the words right out of my mouth.

[Seniade]

He's following the "standard" MMORPG model (that only 1 mainstream MMO actually utilizes and 1 other MMO no one really cares about) which is to nerf content after every update and make your previous accomplishment meaningless.

What accomplishments? Maybe the 1st time you did AK, you were in gear less than what dropped in it, but I can't think of the last time that I've been there and the group struggled with it. They're nerfing things now that there are higher challenges. Worry about those rather than resting on your laurels.

[Laf]

This is casual MMO

[Reborn]

It's old content now.

It was stated that this would happen so that all players could experience the content.

You can manually remove the echo buff if you want.

Also, your character has all classes at 50, and your Scholar is max geared, you've obviously beat twin, why not let others experience the fight, now you're done and can move onto Turns 6-9?

[Taika]

why not let others experience the fight, now you're done and can move onto Turns 6-9?

Aren't these nerfs exactly "not letting others experience the fight"? If you want to beat them pre-nerf you have to be fast and get lucky with avoiding current lag issues. If you haven't been able to beat them before 2.2 you'll get the watered-down versions. I'm glad I had the luck of having a good static group to do and beat the content with but if I wouldn't have been able to do it before patch I would be very annoyed with these nerfs.

I don't think people who haven't beaten the content yet need it to be nerfed to beat it.

[Xairos]

You seem to not understand the concept. A lot of people really don't get why certain content continues to be nerfed even after it was already previously nerfed, twice. (AK for example.)

Instead you're too busy assuming it's an ego thing when rather some people just wonder why content has to be continually nerfed.

What i am missing here is why people care that the old content got (is getting) nerfed. I mean when was the last time anyone cared about AK? I think this is just another point that people want to latch on to lobby complaints at this current patch. This happens every live letter.

Furthermore, there will be a slew of people who will experience this post patch and wont think anything of it. They will never know the nerf happened. Kind of how most players are with Twintania now.